MillionsSons Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Hello! I’m a TS player considering now adding a daemon detachment, Tzeentch of course I’m wondering how pink horrors were able to get a 2++ save before the big faq2? Because they nerfed the +1 invul save just because of that , which is a huge nerf for Tzeentch I believe. I want to see then how I could use same techniques to bring horrors to 3++ post big FAQ 2 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollbeard Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 It was characters who could take the relic “The impossible robe” which improved a models invuln save to a 4++, and then you use the warp surge stratagem to increase your invuln save by +1. And then since tzeentch demons have a +1 to their ROLL, not save, rolling a “2” would be increased to a 3. I don’t think horrors were able to get to a 2++. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Nope, pinks only got 3++, and know as a seemingly unintended consequence can only get 4++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsSons Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Thanks Guys:) So Trollbeard as you point at, Ephereal ability is +1 to the ‘throw’, not the invul save itself, so technically you can still have a 3++ on pinkies right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trollbeard Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Yes, exactly! Using warp surge to boost your invuln to a 4++, and then ethereal or ephemeral which ever it is adds a +1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsSons Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 Oh guys bad news a friend of mine pointed out that Horrors for some reasons dont have Ephereal ability on top of a basic 5++ invul. They only have a basic 4++ invul. Therefore the stratagem is really useless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 This was my point, the used to have the rule when blues and brims had 4++ but in the codex they changed it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Why is this an issue? Their datasheet still gives them a flat 4++ and warp surge still adds+1. 3++ on basic troops is still huge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Because warp surge can't go past 4++. Other Tzeentch Daemons have 5++ with +1 to the roll which warp surge increases to 4+ with +1 Pink Horrors already have a base of 4+ which cant be surged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillionsSons Posted December 11, 2018 Author Share Posted December 11, 2018 Actually I was focusing on horrors but I just realized the stratagem can be useful on other daemobs units to reach a 3++ :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrystalSeer Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 What's the reference for not being able to get to 3++ ? Apparently I'm missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshlands Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 Big faq 2 and wording of Horrors invuln rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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