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How was the 2++ save achieved on horrors?


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MillionsSons

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Hello! I’m a TS player considering now adding a daemon detachment, Tzeentch of course
I’m wondering how pink horrors were able to get a 2++ save before the big faq2?
Because they nerfed the +1 invul save just because of that , which is a huge nerf for Tzeentch I believe.

I want to see then how I could use same techniques to bring horrors to 3++ post big FAQ 2
Thanks!

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It was characters who could take the relic “The impossible robe” which improved a models invuln save to a 4++, and then you use the warp surge stratagem to increase your invuln save by +1. And then since tzeentch demons have a +1 to their ROLL, not save, rolling a “2” would be increased to a 3.

I don’t think horrors were able to get to a 2++.

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Nope, pinks only got 3++, and know as a seemingly unintended consequence can only get 4++

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Thanks Guys:)
So Trollbeard as you point at, Ephereal ability is +1 to the ‘throw’, not the invul save itself, so technically you can still have a 3++ on pinkies right?

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Yes, exactly! Using warp surge to boost your invuln to a 4++, and then ethereal or ephemeral which ever it is adds a +1.

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Oh guys bad news a friend of mine pointed out that Horrors for some reasons dont have Ephereal ability on top of a basic 5++ invul.
They only have a basic 4++ invul. Therefore the stratagem is really useless 😢. For the pink ones at least.
Can’t believe GW nerfed the main Tzeentch this way just to avoid some random exploit on another unit...

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This was my point, the used to have the rule when blues and brims had 4++ but in the codex they changed it...

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Why is this an issue? Their datasheet still gives them a flat 4++ and warp surge still adds+1. 3++ on basic troops is still huge.

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Because warp surge can't go past 4++. Other Tzeentch Daemons have 5++ with +1 to the roll which warp surge increases to 4+ with +1
Pink Horrors already have a base of 4+ which cant be surged.




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