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Oh dang, do I need to actually finish my thunderwolves?

 

What do we think is in here? Could it have a cooler name?



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Oh dang, do I need to actually finish my thunderwolves?

 

What do we think is in here? Could it have a cooler name?

 

I am excited to see brother ! I imagine it will be either TW or possibly wulfen based ? And always happy to see some more of your awesome work kinsman biggrin.png 



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Totally! The more ive thought about it I'm really pulling for some scout love. I love cunning of the wolf since its such a swiss army knife for us and a wrench for opponents. I'd love something else for them like that utility wise.



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judging from the imperial fist one which uses centurion devs , dreads and vindicators (their most fluff/iconic units) we will probalby get something wulfen / thunderwolf related .Or we will get a wolf lord that buffs a pack of stalker tanks tongue.png

Any additional falvour we get is always welcome :)


Edited by lonewolf81, 03 December 2018 - 06:40 PM.

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*snip

 

...... buffs a pack of stalker tanks tongue.png

 

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I have no idea what a stalker pack is but I'm still excited!

 

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I have no idea what a stalker pack is but I'm still excited!

 

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Haha! It's a new specialist detachment we're getting in the Vigilus Campaign book in 2 weeks.



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But only for narrative play? :(((

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But only for narrative play? sad.png((

 

Im pretty positive theyre usable in matched. Its just the intent was a more thematic addition vs. what we saw in 7th ed formations.



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Could be neat. Seems like even though the specialist detachments are useable in matched play they feel like they will be more narrative driven. That is until someone finds something that works with something else and leans on it and ruins it for everyone.



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FYI guys, a screenshot of the table of contents of Vigilus Campaign is available at BoLS. At Page 183 is supposed to be one of the new "formations" called Space Wolves Stalker Pack.

 

http://www.belloflos...paign-book.html

 

As far as the new detachment is concerned, it isn't actually a new detachment in my opinion, still using the usual detachment rules (Battalion, Vanguard, Spearhead etc) and then paying an extra CP get:

 

1) new keywords for SOME units in the detachment, not all. (hilariously, the IF one applies to Captains, Centurions, Dreadnoughts and Vindicators only)

2) extra warlord trait

3) extra relic

4) extra strategems to go with special detachment (Imperial Fists got two, but looks like the darn smurf get FOUR. Damn it, why does GW keep making all the fandom cringe with their Ultramarine fetish).

 

Of note, no extra "chapter tactic" to go with the detachment. Good I guess, otherwise 1 CP to give your army yet another chapter tactic may be OP.

 

http://www.belloflos...s-revealed.html

 

Judging from the IF one, GW still seems incapable of doing anything creative. Like the former Sentinels of Terra supplement, this detachment seems to be trying to sell Centurions, Dreadnoughts and Vindicators, which sadly are some of the worst units CRUNCH WISE right now, which is why they are trying this thinly veiled attempt to make sub-par units useable.  My poor Imperial Fist friend is still weeping at the lost of his old twin linked bolters at half range, which was one of the few ways to make bolters scary back is 6-7th ed.

 

Basically what I'm saying guys, apart from the snowflake Ultramarines, just don't get overhyped over the Stalker pack, and be prepare to be disappointed by the Space Wolves one. I won't put my expectations but in the words of the fictional nomad warrior known as Jack Reacher, who fancies himself as a wandering traveller like the old norse vikings, I will prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Fenris Hjolda!


Edited by Kasper_Hawser, 04 December 2018 - 01:57 AM.

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"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
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What if stalker pack has keen senses on 100% the time. O.o

Not gonna happen :P

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Am I not reading these spoilers correctly or does Chaos not get any special detachments? Doesn't that seem odd?


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FYI guys, a screenshot of the table of contents of Vigilus Campaign is available at BoLS. At Page 183 is supposed to be one of the new "formations" called Space Wolves Stalker Pack.

http://www.belloflos...paign-book.html

As far as the new detachment is concerned, it isn't actually a new detachment in my opinion, still using the usual detachment rules (Battalion, Vanguard, Spearhead etc) and then paying an extra CP get:

1) new keywords for SOME units in the detachment, not all. (hilariously, the IF one applies to Captains, Centurions, Dreadnoughts and Vindicators only)
2) extra warlord trait
3) extra relic
4) extra strategems to go with special detachment (Imperial Fists got two, but looks like the darn smurf get FOUR. Damn it, why does GW keep making all the fandom cringe with their Ultramarine fetish).

Of note, no extra "chapter tactic" to go with the detachment. Good I guess, otherwise 1 CP to give your army yet another chapter tactic may be OP.

http://www.belloflos...s-revealed.html

Judging from the IF one, GW still seems incapable of doing anything creative. Like the former Sentinels of Terra supplement, this detachment seems to be trying to sell Centurions, Dreadnoughts and Vindicators, which sadly are some of the worst units CRUNCH WISE right now, which is why they are trying this thinly veiled attempt to make sub-par units useable. My poor Imperial Fist friend is still weeping at the lost of his old twin linked bolters at half range, which was one of the few ways to make bolters scary back is 6-7th ed.

Basically what I'm saying guys, apart from the snowflake Ultramarines, just don't get overhyped over the Stalker pack, and be prepare to be disappointed by the Space Wolves one. I won't put my expectations but in the words of the fictional nomad warrior known as Jack Reacher, who fancies himself as a wandering traveller like the old norse vikings, I will prepare for the worst, hope for the best. Fenris Hjolda!

I mean I consider myself pretty cynical sometimes but damn...

They’re a business so the criticism to sell underperforming kits as a bad thing is just kinda whatever. I’d prefer to see it as an excuse for people who like them to get some table time.

I mean it’s detachment upgrade that makes dreads better! So if ours gives an underperforming unit that we have (scouts, twolves, dreads, reivers, etc) a boost and fluffy options for more strats I’m going to take it.

Along with that if it encourages more variance in my opponents lists that’s better for me too.

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Am I not reading these spoilers correctly or does Chaos not get any special detachments? Doesn't that seem odd?


Speculation is the second book/chapter will be plenty chaos heavy.

Edited by FearPeteySodes, 04 December 2018 - 02:17 AM.

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4) extra strategems to go with special detachment (Imperial Fists got two, but looks like the darn smurf get FOUR. Damn it, why does GW keep making all the fandom cringe with their Ultramarine fetish).

 

The Indomitus Crusaders special detachment actually applies to "Space Marines," not just the Ultramarines. So the Fists should have access to it, along with everyone else from the Space Marines Codex.

 

The Ultramarines special detachment is the following one dealing with the Victrix Guard. AFAIK, it hasn't been previewed yet.



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Im actually pretty intrigued by the Indomitus Crusaders one.


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The Indomitus Crusaders special detachment actually applies to "Space Marines," not just the Ultramarines. So the Fists should have access to it, along with everyone else from the Space Marines Codex.

 

The Ultramarines special detachment is the following one dealing with the Victrix Guard. AFAIK, it hasn't been previewed yet.

 

 

Oh I didn't realise the Indomitus Crusaders was a "generic" Space Marine special detachment. Makes sense I guess. Problem is that Space Wolves probably won't be able to use it unless by some miracle, we ARE allowed to use it.

 

 

 

I mean I consider myself pretty cynical sometimes but damn...

They’re a business so the criticism to sell underperforming kits as a bad thing is just kinda whatever. I’d prefer to see it as an excuse for people who like them to get some table time.

I mean it’s detachment upgrade that makes dreads better! So if ours gives an underperforming unit that we have (scouts, twolves, dreads, reivers, etc) a boost and fluffy options for more strats I’m going to take it.

Along with that if it encourages more variance in my opponents lists that’s better for me too.

 

As you say, I know they are a business so while I don't like it, I understand the business sense of trying to give additional rules to improve subpar units. What I'm really critizing is that the so called improvements are sub-par themselves. The improvement is basically just 2 strategems which you will have to pay CP to use. One only affects buildings, whereas the other is one of those which relies on dice roll of a six.

 

To me anyway, it is sub par boosts on sub par units. Which is actually par for GW balance writing. Therefore I have to prepare myself for the same when the Stalker Pack is finally revealed.

 

That being said, I could be wrong so let's just hold our breath until the rules are revealed before we start either celebrating with barrels of mjord, or drowning our sorrows in mjord.


"The 6th Legion has a reputation." said Bear.
"All the Legions Astartes have reputations," replied Hawser.
"Not like ours," said Ogvai "We are known for our ferocity. We are thought to be feral and undisciplined. Even brother Legions consider us to be wild and bestial."
"And you're not ?" asked Hawser.
"If we need to be," said Ogvai. "but if that was our natural state, we'd all be dead by now."
He leaned down towards Hawser like a parent addressing a child.
"It takes a vast amount of self control to be this dangerous" he said.

 

Excerpt from "Prospero Burns" by Dan Abnett


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The Indomitus Crusaders special detachment actually applies to "Space Marines," not just the Ultramarines. So the Fists should have access to it, along with everyone else from the Space Marines Codex.

 

The Ultramarines special detachment is the following one dealing with the Victrix Guard. AFAIK, it hasn't been previewed yet.

 

 

Oh I didn't realise the Indomitus Crusaders was a "generic" Space Marine special detachment. Makes sense I guess. Problem is that Space Wolves probably won't be able to use it unless by some miracle, we ARE allowed to use it.

 

I could swear someone in the big Vigilus thread on the rumors board said that at the Weekender, one of the GW presenters stated that these specific statagems would actually be accessible to the Wolves and both Angels chapters, but not the Deathwatch or Grey Knights. It may have been Valrak, but I'm not trying to put words in his mouth. It could have easily been someone else and it's also entirely possible that I'm misremembering their comment.

 

In any case, we don't have much longer to wait.


Edited by Lord Nord, 04 December 2018 - 05:09 AM.


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Indomitus Crusaders shouldn't be available to us, it should be the Primaris specific one in there. At least if the name aligns with the lore at all. That's why I'm interested in it, I'd like to see a bit more on the whole Indomitus Crusade.



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Indomitus Crusaders shouldn't be available to us, it should be the Primaris specific one in there. At least if the name aligns with the lore at all. That's why I'm interested in it, I'd like to see a bit more on the whole Indomitus Crusade.

 

Well, it IS Primaris-specific in that all of the stratagems only appear to affect Primaris units (as far as I can see). But why should (for instance) Salamanders Intercessors be eligible and Space Wolves Intercessors not be?



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Reivers and Thunderwolves?


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I mean it’s detachment upgrade that makes dreads better! So if ours gives an underperforming unit that we have (scouts, twolves, dreads, reivers, etc) a boost and fluffy options for more strats I’m going to take it.


Thing is... It doesn't make Dreadnoughts better. I think there's a thread on r/WarhammerCompetitive with the rules for it and it's all about killing buildings and a very small buff to killing vehicles (I believe it's a Relic that gives that character a Battle Leader reroll Wounds of 1 aura, for the Siegebreaker units... Against only vehicles - so worthless considering Battle Leaders/Lieutenants exist ..)

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The IF formation its not broken but its definately interesting because with the stratagem, redemptor dreads with the gatling cannons and centurion devs with hurricane bolters / heavy bolters can dish out lots of mortal wounds on 6s thnx to rerolls 1s to hit and wound from a captain. We are talking mortal wounds here which are 80 -100% guaranteed wounds which are in addition to normal damage

 

PS : Redemptors and centurions will definately get a points drop in the new CA2018

 

       As for the wolves , it almost certainly will involve reivers and i hope for thunderwolves and wulfen to make them reach the opponet's line more effectively


Edited by lonewolf81, 04 December 2018 - 11:39 AM.


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In before it turns out the detachment gives boosts to Stalker tanks and very little else (if anything) 😎
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