Shas Oh Dear Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 While it is very similar to saga of the Wolf kin the fact you can have it in addition to another saga makes it tasty imo. Any ideas if it specifies/excludes units like similar things from our dex do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lonewolf81 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 The relic is an axe with +1 strength, -2 ap, D3 damage and any unmodified wound rolls of 6 deal D3 mortal wounds instead of normal damage All in all a mediocre detachment , thnx i ll pass PS : Both stratagems need a condition to activate making them bad. The second one would be cool if the detachment units had it straight away and not after another unit had successfuly charged, they are bloodclaws and reivers for goodness sake not wulfen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 While it is very similar to saga of the Wolf kin the fact you can have it in addition to another saga makes it tasty imo. Any ideas if it specifies/excludes units like similar things from our dex do? I’ve only seen the quoted text but seems like it’s battle leaders only. Pretty cool though with field commander though IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 My main complaint with this detachment is that it should've included intercessors, and scouts (bikers and foot). Its not very competitive but with the exception of the crimson fist one, I don't think any of them have been that good. They've done a much better job with these than how they handled formations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHowler Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Bloodclaws already have +1 to hit from hunters unleashed, +1 attack from their chainswords, and +1 attack on the charge from berserk charge, with these rules they have the potential to have +1 attack from the saga and +1 to wound on the charge from the stratagem. Add in the rerolls from leadership and you have a scary unit. Just with chainswords and WL+WGBL support , 15 bloodclaws charging a wounded knight would put about 10 wounds on it (unless my math is wrong). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thymidine Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I'm just happy this formation isn't primaris-only. It shows GW is at least giving some support to the old marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FabulousRex Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Is that Blood Claws fr3just the Troops section, or keyword BLOOD CLAWS? If so, my 2 bike squads can do better than outflanking. Maybe DS Reivers near bikes for the 3d6 charge. Or Sky Claws... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Nord in Gravis Armour Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Is that Blood Claws fr3just the Troops section, or keyword BLOOD CLAWS? If so, my 2 bike squads can do better than outflanking. Maybe DS Reivers near bikes for the 3d6 charge. Or Sky Claws... It's specifically BLOOD CLAWS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyre Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 The relic is an axe with +1 strength, -2 ap, D3 damage and any unmodified wound rolls of 6 deal D3 mortal wounds instead of normal damage All in all a mediocre detachment , thnx i ll pass PS : Both stratagems need a condition to activate making them bad. The second one would be cool if the detachment units had it straight away and not after another unit had successfuly charged, they are bloodclaws and reivers for goodness sake not wulfen. I wish the Black Death relic had this profile from the start, would be nice on a WGBL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Yeah I tried paying the 2 cp for it (detachment + field commander) and it was underwhelming mainly cause he didn't have an inv. save. Detachment itself is frustrating tough to plan around and it should've applied to more units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vilainlivesmatter Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 2cp to get a saga on a WGBL and some utility on bloodclaws. I doubt it worth it unless im using it with a full guard brigade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulwyf Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I don't think it is worth the CP cost. If you are playing a friendly game and just want to do it for the fluff then absolutely go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Caldersson Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Since most think it's not worth it, can I add a little theory crafting? If reivers had access to all SW melee and SS would this detachment be worth it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 im gonna try it as I think I like it. max bloodclaws pack. reivers Carbines. ( why? im thinking bring them in and pepper target. get them wounded, then trigger the extra strat and charge the bloodclaws 3d6 into them?) I assume the battle leader can be thunder wolf or jump jet equiped? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanPesci Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 No good for me as i dont run bloodclaws or primaris... but still, very glad to see the trend continuing of these things being mainly narrative/fluffy based and in no way overpowered like the formation creep in 7th was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithonwings Posted December 13, 2018 Share Posted December 13, 2018 No good for me as i dont run bloodclaws or primaris... but still, very glad to see the trend continuing of these things being mainly narrative/fluffy based and in no way overpowered like the formation creep in 7th was. I agree, 7th formations where so broken. These give bonussus that are fun to exeriment different builds with, but not OP. I'm gone give this formation a go. WL on bike with wolven stone and wolfkin saga on bike, wgbl with this new saga, also on bike. 3 flyers full with BC's with PC's, big units so I can max out on the +1 to wound stratagem. I think it could work. And yes, loyal 32 to cap objectives and get some much needed CP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted December 31, 2018 Share Posted December 31, 2018 So if I wanted just this page from vigilus defiant? could anyone DM me it? im going to test this, building a small force wit this in mind. 15 bloodclaws+wgpa -2x melt's -blood claw packleader, power axe -wg pack leader, storm sheld wolf claw 10 reiver, carbines ----------- question is, what whould my battle leader be? a thunderwolf, or primaris? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 So if I wanted just this page from vigilus defiant? could anyone DM me it? im going to test this, building a small force wit this in mind. 15 bloodclaws+wgpa -2x melt's -blood claw packleader, power axe -wg pack leader, storm sheld wolf claw 10 reiver, carbines ----------- question is, what whould my battle leader be? a thunderwolf, or primaris? Hi Triszin, I would suggest Thunderwolf to maximise damage, but Jump Pack has far better maneuverability, and therefore easier to target big stuff like Vehicles in order to activate the Deed of Legend by inflicing 5+ wounds with a Thunderhammer and SS. Or instead of SS, put a stormboler/combi weapon and use Armour of Russ instead t get invuln save. Just my two cents, hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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