The4thHorseman Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just wanted to get some info and some ideas with regard to ignoring cover/ removing the benifit of cover. I bring this up because I think with the advent of the Chapter Aprv 2018 and the changes within regarding -1 to hit becoming +1 to Cover and with the upcoming City Fight wich we all know, will have bonuses to cover. I'd like to get a list going of units/ ways of removing/ignoring/reducing specifically COVER saves. Example, I know that the FW Land Raider Promethus ignores cover. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 The Centurion Omniscope and Imperial Fists chapter tactic both ignore the benefit of cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 We already have Cities of Death in the main rulebook and it already gives a bonus to cover for infantry. If you haven't played with those rules yet I doubt you'll with CA2018. ;) Tho the concern with the change to faction traits is legit. As Blood Angels we have one really easy counter to cover tho. Melee. No cover in melee. ;) Also more AP I guess but that's never a bad thing lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borbarad Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Imperial Fists and Iron Warriors specific rules enable them to ignore cover. The new CA is rumored to enable all units to use the chapter / legion rules, so those armies might get stronger overall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The4thHorseman Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 I know IF can innately ignore cover. I'm aiming this towards BA units and units that BA can use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Admitedly, if they do let chapter traits effect every unit, we will get almost no added benefit. My razorback will get +1 to wound when getting charged! I only have to hit first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Will be absolutely worthless, not to mention unfluffy for us :/ Just wouldnt make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Maybe our vehicles (non-dreads) could get +1 to hit instead, that would make them more fluffy in terms of melee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Or maybe our vehicles could get something that actually makes sense instead of a melee buff. We aren't chaos with maulerfiends or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Fluffy and useful: Enemies are -1 to hit OUR vehicles in close combat. (cuz...our drivers are good at getting out of the way or something) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Or just something simple like being able to advance&shoot at -1 to-hit even with heavy weapons (basically turning them into Assault weapons). We do have the Lucifer-pattern engines after all and the Stratagem has been very underwhelming to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I'd settle for deep striking land raiders again . Cause that was silly and fun to do, even if it was kinda stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just wanted to get some info and some ideas with regard to ignoring cover/ removing the benifit of cover. I bring this up because I think with the advent of the Chapter Aprv 2018 and the changes within regarding -1 to hit becoming +1 to Cover and with the upcoming City Fight wich we all know, will have bonuses to cover. I'd like to get a list going of units/ ways of removing/ignoring/reducing specifically COVER saves. Example, I know that the FW Land Raider Promethus ignores cover. Thx. Folks, this is the topic at hand. Any chance we can discuss it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x19 Parabellum Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 melee attacks mortal wounds Centurion Omniscope Imperial Fist chapter trait that's all i know of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ornithologist Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Melee has always been my go to. Punch em in the face, then stand in their cover to help you when they shoot back. but, what ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brother_b Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just wanted to get some info and some ideas with regard to ignoring cover/ removing the benifit of cover. I bring this up because I think with the advent of the Chapter Aprv 2018 and the changes within regarding -1 to hit becoming +1 to Cover and with the upcoming City Fight wich we all know, will have bonuses to cover. I'd like to get a list going of units/ ways of removing/ignoring/reducing specifically COVER saves. Example, I know that the FW Land Raider Promethus ignores cover. Thx. Are those changes confirmed? The -1 to +1 cover? That seems more like a FAQ thing than a CA thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Just wanted to get some info and some ideas with regard to ignoring cover/ removing the benifit of cover. I bring this up because I think with the advent of the Chapter Aprv 2018 and the changes within regarding -1 to hit becoming +1 to Cover and with the upcoming City Fight wich we all know, will have bonuses to cover. I'd like to get a list going of units/ ways of removing/ignoring/reducing specifically COVER saves. Example, I know that the FW Land Raider Promethus ignores cover. Thx. Are those changes confirmed? The -1 to +1 cover? That seems more like a FAQ thing than a CA thing. Definitely not confirmed and should be taken with lots of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STTAB Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I play Dark Angels and Blood Angels, sometimes more DA defocused, sometimes more BA focuse. The Ravenwing talonmaster has an ignore cover aura for Ravenwing units as well as re-roll wound rolls of 1. I've allied a battalion of Sammael in Sableclaw, Talonmaster and 3 scout squads with heavy weapons to a BA jump infantry heavy battalion+vanguard to good effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 What good is cover if you don’t have a hand to use it with? https://youtu.be/B203twyaMfM Melee is a good counter to cover. Also, for what it’s worth, melta class weapons are AP-4. Something to keep in mind since we can take inferno pistols and melta on stuff like ASM. If lascannons are going to be effectively AP-2 with ubiquitous cover, something to keep in mind. And since melta is close range it could fit in with our close quarters-oriented mindset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dont-Be-Haten Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 melee attacks mortal wounds Centurion Omniscope Imperial Fist chapter trait that's all i know of. I would venture to outside the box thinking that in it's current interaction AP -1 modified weapons are effectively ignore cover saves. Unless there abilities that increase cover based saves such as camo-cloaks giving a +2 save rather than +1. I also seem to recall there being a stratagem that ignores cover but I cant seem to remember it. Is it the combination of land speeder + vindicator one? Edit: its whirlwinds and it let's you auto hit instead of shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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