Ishagu Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) So, post Chapter Approved this unit has gained a massive reduction in points and is now a contendor for one of the best anti armour units available to Marines. 168 points - Cheap! Lower than a Predator. Two Twin Las Cannons - Excellent weapons The Contemptor has BS 2+ and a 5+ invul, and benefits from Chapter Tactics. Fantastic Accuracy that is still effective at even the lowest bracket. This is pretty great by any standard and can compare in efficiency to the mini Knights! A new top unit in the Marine arsenal. Edited December 12, 2018 by Ishagu Gederas, Prot, Aarik and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gederas Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I wouldn't say it's 'hidden'. It's just not immediately apparent unless you look at it. Plus: The fact that it's NOT A RELIC despite the other Forge World Contemptor is a relic is amazing. I'm planning on getting a few for my Deathwatch, definitely. Cruor Vault 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 I still like the relic version though, ~35 more points for better wounds, save, a fnp, and flat movement. The relic tax almost never effects me in that slot. I never need excuses for dreads though sooooo I’m probably not the target market for this revelatory thread..... :D Cruor Vault 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Hidden? Don't think so. Do you pay too less attention to non-primaris units? They are already semi-competitive long before CA2018. With TL-LC cost 50pts not 40pts, they may be not as hot as their chaos counterparts(Butcher contemptors), but already better than any Codex options. autek mor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Not bad, yes. Especially good with Raven Guard. Dracos and Race Bannon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 Not bad, yes. Especially good with Raven Guard. I'd purchased a RG Contemptor for this very purpose .... and then went and bought two Xiphons. Thanks for the reminder. I wasn't planning on using it as a relic but now I'll take a look at both options with all the combined point drops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 12, 2018 Author Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) Hidden? Don't think so. Do you pay too less attention to non-primaris units? They are already semi-competitive long before CA2018. With TL-LC cost 50pts not 40pts, they may be not as hot as their chaos counterparts(Butcher contemptors), but already better than any Codex options. Well seeing as CA isn't even officially out yet you can't say I've not been paying attention. The unit's reduced points is what makes it appealing. Edited December 12, 2018 by Ishagu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
autek mor Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 (edited) i'm glad that i'm not alone noticing this unit. plus you have the option of adding a cyclone missile launcher to relic and non relic versions thanks to the FAQ Edited December 12, 2018 by autek mor Ishagu 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted December 12, 2018 Share Posted December 12, 2018 It's Reduced Points cost is enough to add a Cyclone Missile Launcher to bring it up to its original value, where it was perfectly fine before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 WHy would twin las cannons be cheaper than twin assault cannons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted December 14, 2018 Share Posted December 14, 2018 I still like the relic version though, ~35 more points for better wounds, save, a fnp, and flat movement. The relic tax almost never effects me in that slot. I never need excuses for dreads though sooooo I’m probably not the target market for this revelatory thread..... Only 22pts actually! And with Servitors dropping massively (40pts for 4 w/2xHeavy Bolter) you can get 2-3 in a detachment easily! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MistaGav Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 For those that want to save a few points as well, the regular Mortis dreadnought with 2x Twin Lascannons is 155 points which is still great as a cheap anti-tank platform but I think the few points difference would sway most to the Contemptor pattern instead. I think I'll be taking at least 2, if not 3 in my armies now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 I still like the relic version though, ~35 more points for better wounds, save, a fnp, and flat movement. The relic tax almost never effects me in that slot. I never need excuses for dreads though sooooo I’m probably not the target market for this revelatory thread..... Only 22pts actually! And with Servitors dropping massively (40pts for 4 w/2xHeavy Bolter) you can get 2-3 in a detachment easily! Totally! My somewhat novelty dreads and iron priests lists are a bit meatier. Cruor Vault 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted December 15, 2018 Share Posted December 15, 2018 For those that want to save a few points as well, the regular Mortis dreadnought with 2x Twin Lascannons is 155 points which is still great as a cheap anti-tank platform but I think the few points difference would sway most to the Contemptor pattern instead. I think I'll be taking at least 2, if not 3 in my armies now. I took three of the 2x Twin Lascannon Mortis Dreadnoughts before Chapter Approved, at the 16 pts higher than a Lascannon Predator I thought they were well worth it. Now that they are LESS that that Predator they are insanely good! 168 pts for a 2+ BS and 5++, and close combat ability over the Predator at the loss of 1 wound yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 (edited) Are you speaking about this one "Contemptor Pattern Lascannon" at FW? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Contemptor-Pattern-Lascannon Is it compatible with plastic contemptor sold at GW? What do you think about Contemptor vs regular dread with dual lazcan? Edited December 17, 2018 by BolterZorro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted December 17, 2018 Author Share Posted December 17, 2018 I think the Contemptor is the best choice thanks to the invul and the quality BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1. I can't find "mortis contemptor". Where is it? 2. Are you speaking about this one "Contemptor Pattern Lascannon" at FW? https://www.forgewor...ttern-Lascannon Is it compatible with plastic contemptor sold at GW? 3. What should be the body of the contemptor, in the army list : contemptor or relic one or...? 4. In the contemptor datasheet, I can't find the dual laser. Where is this option and cost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kallas Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 1. I can't find "mortis contemptor". Where is it? 2. Are you speaking about this one "Contemptor Pattern Lascannon" at FW? https://www.forgewor...ttern-Lascannon Is it compatible with plastic contemptor sold at GW? 3. What should be the body of the contemptor, in the army list : contemptor or relic one or...? 4. In the contemptor datasheet, I can't find the dual laser. Where is this option and cost? 1. In the books, it's in the Forge World Index; on Battlescribe it's under FW Adeptus Astartes, so you'll need to add it in to the list separately to any other Marine force (if you nest your forces in the options, then you can add them to the relevant detachment). 3. I think would work. The biggest distinction is the weaponry; since the Contemptor Mortis has paired arms with twin ranged weapons it'll be easy enough to identify. 4. It's a separate entry from the Contemptor or Relic Contemptor, both of which are Elite choices while the Mortis is a Heavy Support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Are those legal for a chaos list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokugawa Posted December 17, 2018 Share Posted December 17, 2018 Are those legal for a chaos list?Chaos has its own Contemptor variant. Also quite competitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cryptix Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Yes, the Chaos version is in the FW: IA Index Heretic Astartes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Are you speaking about this one "Contemptor Pattern Lascannon" at FW? https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/en-IE/Contemptor-Pattern-Lascannon Is it compatible with plastic contemptor sold at GW? What do you think about Contemptor vs regular dread with dual lazcan? The conversion is extremely easy to do! Just cut the plastic Contemptor arms in the round part under the shoulder pad. You can easily separate the shoulder from the weapon whilst keeping a nice mount in which to place magnets. When its all done and over with, you should have a magnetized DCCW, Kheres Assault Cannon plus whatever FW weapons you get. I did a couple of them recently. robofish7591, Brother Chaplain Ryld, Ishagu and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BolterZorro Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Are thoes both on the left the same? One looks bigger than the other. On the right, are they leviatan? (did the points cost of leviatan change? what is the pts cost?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCE1981 Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Are thoes both on the left the same? One looks bigger than the other. On the right, are they leviatan? (did the points cost of leviatan change? what is the pts cost?) Leviathans on the right. They dropped 6pts total, final 303. They are definitely well worth it! Add a Librarian to give them Might of Heroes for toughness 9 coupled with a 4++ and they will fave tank a stupid amount of shooting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruor Vault Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 Are thoes both on the left the same? One looks bigger than the other. On the right, are they leviatan? (did the points cost of leviatan change? what is the pts cost?) The Contemptors are identical, it's just a trick of the light/posing of the model. Leviathans on the Right. The white one is the standard Leviathan model, the one with the gold trim is the Carab Culn model with the Red Scorpions iconography removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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