Joe Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Linky doodle. I guess this confirms Malevolence will finally get a release date next month. Images Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something SO AWESOME we couldn’t fit it into the article. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time. We’ll have more on just what that is very soon… SANGUINIUS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Blood Angels look amazing but Night Lords are underwhelming. Reckon it's Sanguinis and the book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I really like the NL, suitably brutal weapons for sure and wrist mounted Volkite is tasty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghorgul Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Those NL praetors look kinda cheap tbh. Other legions get hugely detailed, ornamented and beautiful models, and NL gets these guys. Just skull+wings motifs, and the Mark IV praetor looks like the wings were made from Greenstuff in 30 minutes. I'm being negative I know, but these guys are not up to the same level as many other FW 30k releases. At least the praetor comes with the jump pack, so they have paid some attention to the rules. Well, after some more thinking I guess they went the right way with these. Basically NL models need a lot of surface area so there is space for beautiful Lightning effects, but arguably this would have been more obvious if these example paint jobs had showcased that aspect. Actually it looks like both models have the lightning effect going on, there is kind of shimmer painted on both of these models, but it's not immediately obvious these are supposed to be lightning effects. EDIT: But on a more positive note, looks like I need to hold off my FW order a little longer until these guys become available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 -looks around- man, I guess I'm in the firm minority. The Blood Angels are tremendously disappointing yet again, looking like another blasted upgrade kit from someone like Scribor with all the bloody filigree and overly floral rococo kite shields*. I'm just... I'm not a fan. Blech. So much bling and not much substance while the Night Lords still looking like a slightly unique legion force. I don't like the corpse christmas decoration on the leviathan, but the little patches and spikes are fine. The Praetors feel perfectly in line with them not being the ridiculously over the top but just "Commander +". *I like my Legion forces to look more simplified and militant (3rd legion get away with a lot), but I wanted a slightly different shape, some completely unique looking elites, specialist destroyers or something. I don't like things that start looking like their 40K counterparts. As for the painting, I love the mottled blue armour of the Night lords over the Angels in every way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 On the one hand, sure the NL models arent drowning in stuff on their armor but it does leave a lot of room for painters to get nice Lightning Effects onto those armor plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I'll never understand putting giant bat wings on a helmet. But the other little details on the Night Lords are great; the bonding studs and spikes are nicely done, the chains and hooks on the Leviathan are exactly what you'd imagine them adding on, and the weapons are nice too. I like the paint jobs, particularly the texture the painter's given the armor plates. My only complaints are that the Terminator's pose is a little boring and the severed torso on the Leviathan is over the top. I like the Blood Angels. I see how they could be polarizing, and I wouldn't have gone with a Phoenix Spear-like glaive, but they're consistent with FW's BA aesthetic and don't have any of the strangeness of the Varagyrs. I hope no one needs more than three shields per five guys, though. Oh – and there’s one more thing. Something SO AWESOME we couldn’t fit it into the article. Something Forge World fans have been looking forward to for a very, very long time. We’ll have more on just what that is very soon… Atomantic Pavaise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stix Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 -looks around- man, I guess I'm in the firm minority. The Blood Angels are tremendously disappointing yet again, looking like another blasted upgrade kit from someone like Scribor with all the bloody filigree and overly floral rococo kite shields*. I'm just... I'm not a fan. Blech. So much bling and not much substance while the Night Lords still looking like a slightly unique legion force. I don't like the corpse christmas decoration on the leviathan, but the little patches and spikes are fine. The Praetors feel perfectly in line with them not being the ridiculously over the top but just "Commander +". *I like my Legion forces to look more simplified and militant (3rd legion get away with a lot), but I wanted a slightly different shape, some completely unique looking elites, specialist destroyers or something. I don't like things that start looking like their 40K counterparts. As for the painting, I love the mottled blue armour of the Night lords over the Angels in every way. I second that! I find those termies very ugly. Way too much chunky details sticked to one mini. If I were BA player, I would use EC models any day instead of those. Levi looks like sculptor was afraid to "carve" into the bulk of main model and just glued 6th ed WHFB Vampire Counts bits to generic Leviathan. Praetors are ok, but again, tartaros one would look much better without those trophies (if they can't make them more convincing). The PA one is pretty nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Aye, Carlisimo, Stix, definitely on that page. You know, Carlisimo, it's true, a lot of the stuff I like about the plating for the Night Lords is it has a nice texture (so nicely done to whoever did the painting. I may have to experiment and see if I can nail something like that). But the bat wings have been always kinda over the top and kinda wonky. I was pretty happy with their Terror Squads plain integrated skull helms without the almost 19th century valkyrie theatrics/50's Thor wing'd look. I'll also admit I'm kinda shocked they haven't done 'skinned' faces with the muscle tissue and the like exposed (like a less exaggerated Astorath the Grim, ironically enough). Don'tcha know it, Stix, mate! There's just so many details there, and the Blood Angels feel a little schizophrenic between new and old stylings (which is probably unavoidable). But totally, I expected Emepror's Children style details with some pomp and flare but not too much. I mean, look at the Blood Angel's previous upgrade kits: they were on the decorative side by looking like veterans, which is how most of the upgrade kits were supposed to be used. Sparingly. This looks more like a shopping spree in Neo-Venice on their way to a gathering of the 500 captains at Versailles. And aye, the levy does feel oddly 'unskinned', no deep cuts, nothing that looks like it removed any material to create interesting negative space (like carved ribs in the lower plating or something over the top I guess I expected from 'scary bois'), just a few bits stuck on. Still curious and eager to see what the other legion specific levvies look like, and hoping for some more old-legion specific praetors. Post Scriptum: bit of a legit question, the Tartaros Praetor... that head on his chest, are those stitches or is that a moustache? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I haven't really been impressed with FWs 30k releases lately. From the vigitlator to these NL models it feels like it's not the same quality we had before. The details on the leviathan are pretty cheap- chains aren't even connected to anything and the little white bumps? Are they parchment? Armored studs? For who's pleasure are they for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The white bumps are tarot cards I believe. Like those used by Curze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The details on the leviathan are pretty cheap- chains aren't even connected to anything and the little white bumps? I'll assume Dantay's right about the white rectangles. The chains are for hanging up victims, or parts thereof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 The Blood Angels terminators are a major win for me and I will definitely be doing a terminator heavy force for my Horus Heresy Blood Angels. Cannot wait to get my hands on them :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Pheidias Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I think the Night Lords suffer from the paint-job. There's been a creep of 'Eavy Metal style painting, see the Vigilator and Praevian as well, and if the Night Lords Praetors got a proper FWHH-paintjob with all the trimmings, dingings and dustings, they'll look grand! Battered copper on the ches-icon, a shinier but darker blue finish, lightning and scratches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Blood angels are exceptional IMO. I get the want for a more militant legion look, but keep that to the rank and file. The blood angels are artisans and should look as such Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Blood angels are exceptional IMO. I get the want for a more militant legion look, but keep that to the rank and file. The blood angels are artisans and should look as such I seem to recall the existing art for Captains Raldoron, Captain Amnit, Apothecary Meros, and even Azkaellon having surprisingly 'non artisan' looking armour :P Seriously, Azkaellon's armour is effectively gold plated mk. IV. In addition to the Unremembered empire art, the new Signus art, the visions art, etc. We've seen the Psuedo Crimson Paladins in the Visions/Sabertooth artwork are more decorative, true, but not like this. So it all kinda just comes out of no where like a Alpha Legion raid gone right :P Besides, keep the Legion militant and let the thin-blooded far-flung 40K Blood Cherubs keep their thousand artists while their other less fabulous successors pick up their warrior legacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I seem to recall the existing art for Captains Raldoron, Captain Amnit, Apothecary Meros, and even Azkaellon having surprisingly 'non artisan' looking armour Seriously, Azkaellon's armour is effectively gold plated mk. IV. In addition to the Unremembered empire art, the new Signus art, the visions art, etc. As a long standing Blood Angels fan, those artworks you mention were always so far removed from anything I ever imagined Blood Angels in any era to look like and so bland and mundane, that I am thankful to the resin-fueled overlords that reside in Nottingham that the Forgeworld design very clearly veers away from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 As a long standing blood angels fan, they were always far closer than the slow turn to the overly decorated golden boys that I saw in the 4th+editions of 40K :P Works both ways mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 As a long standing blood angels fan, they were always far closer than the slow turn to the overly decorated golden boys that I saw in the 4th+editions of 40K Works both ways mate. Change is not always bad Vykes; lest you forget that colours, original chapters and even fluff would look much different today (cough-cough Leman Russ as an imperial commander that looked like the nightmare off-birth between Giger's various works cough-cough). Takes bravery to do something new and not always stick to old adages for the sake of old adages. Considering the current public response to this new take on the Horus Heresy era Blood Angels, I'd say that whoever sculpted the new Blood Angels stuff succeeded in their gamble. I, for one, will very happily take this as a chance to revitalize my own Heresy efforts. Works for me, mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vykes Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Dude, trust me when I'm saying I'm not a good target for 'don't be afraid of change' line. It's kinda preaching to the choir... and you kinda were the one who brought up the long-standing nature of your affiliation with Blood Angels, not me. :P It's different, so it'll be polarizing; that doesn't make it better, that doesn't make it worse. I'm just saying I don't like it as it doesn't mesh with my conceptualization of the 9th legion during the Heresy. It's kinda hard to blame someone for that when there was previously a fairly stark delineation between the aesthetics of the 30K and 40K iterations of the blood angels. This and the recent dreadnought releases blur or straddle the line more than previous incarnations (even the former head and chest armour upgrades were ripped almost wholesale from the Visions art). Like I said, I personally liked the older styling and it's not about nostalgia. The aesthetics are becoming more homogeneous, and I have a personal affinity for the more grungy look of the armour that many of the legions exhibited. If you like this New Angels look, then cool, like more power to you: I don't. -shrugs- But on the upside, I massively enjoy the look of the 30K World Eaters, the Dark Angels, the newer Night Lords sans wing-things, the Alpha legion, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagoth Ur Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I'm just saying I don't like it as it doesn't mesh with my conceptualization of the 9th legion during the Heresy. It's kinda hard to blame someone for that when there was previously a fairly stark delineation between the aesthetics of the 30K and 40K iterations of the blood angels. This and the recent dreadnought releases blur or straddle the line more than previous incarnations (even the former head and chest armour upgrades were ripped almost wholesale from the Visions art). And that's fair enough; I am not blaming anyone for anything. All I am saying is that I do visually consider this a bit more interesting than both the 40k version and the original Visions version as in terms of filigree work, trim and even transfer work, these horus Heresy Blood Angels do not really resemble their 40k pendants. I'd say the head and torso upgrades mixed the visions and new filigree design quite nicely, but that is just me. Like I said, I personally liked the older styling and it's not about nostalgia. The aesthetics are becoming more homogeneous, and I have a personal affinity for the more grungy look of the armour that many of the legions exhibited. If you like this New Angels look, then cool, like more power to you: I don't. -shrugs- But on the upside, I massively enjoy the look of the 30K World Eaters, the Dark Angels, the newer Night Lords sans wing-things, the Alpha legion, etc. I'd have to heavily disagree on the aesthetics of the Blood Angels becoming more homogenous between 30k and 40k, but this is neither the place nor the spot to discuss this; pms would, perhaps, be more useful for this. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on this one. Dude, trust me when I'm saying I'm not a good target for 'don't be afraid of change' line. It's kinda preaching to the choir... and you kinda were the one who brought up the long-standing nature of your affiliation with Blood Angels, not me. *shrug* I was just speaking as someone who is deeply enamoured by the Blood Angels for quite a while now and was hoping for a breath of fresh air in what i felt was a very bland, boring and ultramarines-but-red sorta design before Forgeworld took on the Heresy. If it doesn't work for you, I am sure there are other avenues one can take. But it works for me and saves me a lot of work in return, my guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laughingman Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 -personally not a fan of the Legion specific leviathan dreadnoughts, the effort and time could have been better spent going back through the extensive list of no-model units and characters in 30k and finally giving them models... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackenzie Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 -personally not a fan of the Legion specific leviathan dreadnoughts, the effort and time could have been better spent going back through the extensive list of no-model units and characters in 30k and finally giving them models... Agreed. As a BA player the only thing I was stoked about on our Levi was the assault cannons. I still might get a standard one with less filagree and convert instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlisimo Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 A day’s gone by and I have a couple more thoughts about the Blood Angels. First, this is absolutely the place to discuss whether 30k releases look too much like their M41 counterparts! Before we saw any models or color plates for the IXth, I thought it’d be the loyalist legion that changed the most before and after the Heresy, for obvious reasons. I figured they would have become obsessed with death masks and maybe chalices because of Sanguinius’s death. That’s not the direction FW has taken them. And that’s fine, they still look great and they have a consistent Renaissance-era aesthetic. I just would’ve liked to see more change among the loyalists since it’s something that’s made the traitor legions so interesting in this setting. I like the detailing on these BA terminators, but I went back and looked at the Phoenix Terminators and damn, they still look like masterpieces. Their detail looks finer and the models look better balanced. Maybe it’s the stances. After staring at those guys for a while, the Blood Angels look toylike in comparison, as do the Varagyr. Some of the older legion-specific Cataphractii units also look better balanced than the new ones. I can’t really pinpoint why, and I don’t want to blame CAD design without being able to explain why they look off to me. Is anyone going to buy the Blood Angels Tartaros Praetor (who looks great, imo) now that the official bodyguard unit is in Cataphractii? Makes you wonder if the Night Lords will get Cataphractii-clad Atramentar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I think the main issue some people might be having with the newer Cataphractii Minis is that they look considerably more, for lack of a better word, Dynamic than most other Cataphractii Models we've seen to date which conflicts with the "Slow and Purposeful" look, feel and posing we've had for pretty much all Cataphractii Minis to this point; usually those poses were kept for more agile Tartaros Termies like Phoenix Guard or Deathshroud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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