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Vanguard Primaris Marines - Intro Thread


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given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

*cough* Flamer Aggressors *cough*

Also the suppressing special rule would work with Las Talons just as well as with their Autocannons. Probably better even as you'd have a higher chance of actually killing a model. In fact the Las Talon would outclass their autocannon in everything except for range so that's probably a better reason why they are unlikely to get such an option. ^^

You’re forgetting points, a Lastalon costs 40 pts. I am not arguing against that just pointing out that for a mere 25pts per model you get a badly needed anti-tank unit that can still do its original job better.

Just to point out again that I think giving suppressors an onslought gatling gun is a “bad” idea, for a mere 6 pts per model difference you effectively double the units ability to cause casualties to low toughness units, the math even works out that your more likely to stop a Primaris squad from shooting with OGCs than the Autocannons Suppressors currently have.

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Interesting tidbit from the little codex in the Shadowspear box - the 10th Company is supposed to maintain a permanent complement of Vanguard Marines. This suggests that a complete Primaris Chapter would have a "Vanguard Company" instead of a Scout Company, I think.

 

So I guess the Neophyte stage is gone from the Chapters and only Initiates are allowed amongst the ranks, makes sense since Guilliman is bringing the legion modus operandi. Still kind of leaves a question in other chapters, what happens to SW? Will their Vanguard be Veterans or just normal? What about the Crusader Squad? Black Templars have zero real organization but the Crusader Squad is THE building block of the Chapter so what happens to them now that the Neopyhte isnt going to the frontlines? So many questions, so little answers, the more they try and flesh the Primaris the more I smell the stench of fluff writers sweating profusely as they try to plug all these holes only for more to come up.


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No, all it means is chapters now maintain a permanent complement of Vanguard as part of their 10th company.

It doesn’t mean they replace the Scouts in the 10th company, or that Scouts cease to exist.

Remember classic marines are still being made in the current 40k time setting, and Scouts are still present in current background.
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given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

So I just realized something about the Suppressing Fire ability on the suppressors, its doesnt say when they kill a model with their weapon, it says the autocannon. Like specifically calls the autocannon out. That to me feels like the rule is tied to the gun not the model, meaning different options may have different rules?
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Or it's just how they worded it in the book and they'll expand it when they have more weapon options, and are just making sure that people aren't cancelling out overwatch by throwing grenades or something.
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I suppose that is a possibility, though I cant see why you'd rather thrown a grenade then fire the autocannon but I guess I can see situations where it may come up?

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given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.

So I just realized something about the Suppressing Fire ability on the suppressors, its doesnt say when they kill a model with their weapon, it says the autocannon. Like specifically calls the autocannon out. That to me feels like the rule is tied to the gun not the model, meaning different options may have different rules?

 

 

That's actually an interesting detail. However I wonder where the suppressing part of their name would come from if another weapon doesn't have that rule. Probably just wording specifically for this boxset datasheet. ^^


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given that lastalons have boltgun range, the mobility of the surpressors would pretty much be indispensible if that were the case

Sure, but would also render their Suppression rule worthless.

It may not have much value around these parts, but even GW wouldn't abandon a special rule like this.
So I just realized something about the Suppressing Fire ability on the suppressors, its doesnt say when they kill a model with their weapon, it says the autocannon. Like specifically calls the autocannon out. That to me feels like the rule is tied to the gun not the model, meaning different options may have different rules?

Yep!

Imagine a support vehicle with a dual Accel auto, with suppressing fire!
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I could get with that. Would be pretty cool

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I could get with that. Would be pretty cool


You know, making this weapon type always suppress no matter the unit it's on would be great.
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Or it means that Suppressors will not get another weapon option.

The more charitable (but still mostly cynical) version of my interpretation would be that another weapon option will not have the suppression rule, but might be discounted because of it.

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Or it means that Suppressors will not get another weapon option.

The more charitable (but still mostly cynical) version of my interpretation would be that another weapon option will not have the suppression rule, but might be discounted because of it.


I think we'll be getting an errata that adjust the points soon enough. But when the suppressors full kit comes, I fully suspect 1 other weapon loadouts. At the earliest, June/July is when I expect to see it.

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So I assume we can go up to a size of 6 man in the suppressors squads, just not right now? In the vox cast they alluded to making and playing with 6 man squads
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Yup, Winters is normally really good but this was a silly video. Nothing should be exempt from criticism, but what was being said was rubbish.

It's almost as if he's losing brain cells the more chummy he gets with Arch and praises Sargon more. I wonder why.


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The Stormspear campaign booklet mentions the Vanguard force coming down in drop pods (page 7). Previously they’ve been very careful to not put Primaris in non Primaris vehicles (like the Reivers having to go by Valkyrie in a short story).

I love drop pods, so either a new one or the ability to use the old one for my Primaris would be great.
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The Stormspear campaign booklet mentions the Vanguard force coming down in drop pods (page 7). Previously they’ve been very careful to not put Primaris in non Primaris vehicles (like the Reivers having to go by Valkyrie in a short story).
I love drop pods, so either a new one or the ability to use the old one for my Primaris would be great.


Would give me a reason to build the remaining 9 I have. That said, that's exactly the reason why GW probably won't let it be old pods and will make a whole new pod for it.
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I think i’m Going to clip off all the antenna and dangly bits. They’re going to break eventually anyways, and I’m not a super big fan of them. Otherwise i’m So happy with everything in the set so far!

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The Apothecary’s needle isn’t going to last long either...

I’m leaving the antennae’s on for now but yeah, I don’t think they’ll survive too long going in and out the foam sadly.




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