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I can't believe it's taken more than a decade and a new model for this to click in my head, but... Why is Abaddon's hair red? He's almost always had black hair in artwork, including his original appearance in the cover of Codex: Chaos and later in the Eye of Terror cover (he didn't even have a top knot that time), and even his HH model's hair is black. Did the painter just feel like it was too much black along with the armour, or was there another reason for it?

 

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That pic is a Taste the Rainbow poster waiting to happen .


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I can't believe it's taken more than a decade and a new model for this to click in my head, but... Why is Abaddon's hair red? He's almost always had black hair in artwork, including his original appearance in the cover of Codex: Chaos and later in the Eye of Terror cover (he didn't even have a top knot that time), and even his HH model's hair is black. Did the painter just feel like it was too much black along with the armour, or was there another reason for it?


Probably just color composition. I kinda like the red top knot!

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Yeah, red top knots are stupid.

 

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All top knots are stupid. ;)


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I can't believe it's taken more than a decade and a new model for this to click in my head, but... Why is Abaddon's hair red? He's almost always had black hair in artwork, including his original appearance in the cover of Codex: Chaos and later in the Eye of Terror cover (he didn't even have a top knot that time), and even his HH model's hair is black. Did the painter just feel like it was too much black along with the armour, or was there another reason for it?

 

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Alright, so now that we have a proper thread just for the big boy, I'll say this: He absolutely donned that cape to hide the hole on his back Celestine made in Cadia. tongue.png

 

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Prolly cause the old metal studio model has red hair.



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Abby looked at all those pretty Marines in their cloaks and wanted to be pretty too. Stop bullying the poor sod.
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Now there are giant men with rocket launcher machine guns and 4 hearts and are really super awesome who beat up everything.
Also there's a bunch of aliens but they don't really do anything and aren't as cool as the rocket machine gun super men, so who cares?

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Abby looked at all those pretty Marines in their cloaks and wanted to be pretty too. Stop bullying the poor sod.


See now ya done it. I’m now picturing the most dangerous traitor to imperium twirling Drach’nyen like an umbrella...

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It's not the hole that Celestine made he's hiding there, it's the through and through from Sigismund's sword ;)


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That got fixed the next week!



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Prolly cause the old metal studio model has red hair.

But that's exactly what I'm asking...?



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Look man, all I know is that I'd buy that for a dollar!

He should be a massive dude. As cool as the original sculpt was, it was not fitting even back then.

GW has made some great looking characters lately, but Abaddon should be next level.

Rules-wise he can stay chill :P
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As for the latter point, it's not really GW's fault. From the perspective of the Imperium - and therefore your average codex publication - the Black Legion are the Sons of Horus. They are the Black Sixteenth, Horus' sons returned. Those wiki and lexicanum pages are typically made by people that aren't fully aware of all the various publications. I don't mind it being the way it is. Read a codex, and you get the in-universe perspective; read ADB's novels, and you realise that there's far more to it than the Sons of Horus simply repainting themselves in Justaerin colours and continuing their old war. Who cares if a bunch of people on the internet have it wrong? The reality is far more complex and far more interesting.

 
Hmm, I understand this - but these are the default places on the web where people go to find out info and esp with wikia its content is so 'ripped from the pages'/nigh plagiarism that I find it odd they haven't made that structural decision, since it's pretty clear. And while codices suggest an imperial perspective, they also aren't really imperial perspectives - the Siege of Vraks is imperial in perspective, with very much an imperial persona in the narration. The chaos codices since 3rd not really - they are omniscient, generalising and ultimately above-universe in perspective. 
 
To address another point while in Black Legion there are certainly Sons of Horus - as Khayon tells his inquisitorial listeners:
 

Our ranks swelled, timeless night by timeless night. At first almost every recruit was another exile, another wanderer, another disgraced or disgusted soul that came to us in search of a new beginning. Some wished to cleanse themselves of the past and stand beneath a new banner. Some wished to taste once more the purpose of brotherhood after the endless battles within the Eye had broken their old bonds. Some sought to deceive us. They were purged, fed to the creatures that writhed in the dark of the Vengeful Spirit’s deepest decks. 

Soon we recruited not lone warriors or squads, but warbands and warships. Time and again, Abaddon scattered us across the Eye in divided forces, bringing word of his return to his beleaguered Legion, offering amnesty and alliance to any that wished to join with us. Most of our new loyal brethren were the survivors of the shattered Sons of Horus. They came for one reason above all: survival. A dying Legion on the edge of extinction was suddenly presented with three of the most iconic symbols of its former strength. The Legion Wars raged on, yet here was Ezekyle Abaddon, here was Falkus Kibre and here was the Vengeful Spirit. Such an echo of their bright past was surely their greatest chance of survival in a realm that still hungered for their blood.

Exiles and idealists from every Legion joined us. Vortigern brought his solemn and wayward Lost Lion warband into our ranks. Amurael Enka came next – a brother who has had every chance to betray me across an eternity and yet never once wavered in his loyalty.  Then Chariz Terenoch, the Wonderworker, who forged the blade I carried after the destruction of my axe Saern. He was the first of my former brothers among the Thousand Sons to surrender his Rubricae to my mastery. Then came Zaidu and his vile cannibals, who inevitably fell into Telemachon’s favour, followed by Delvarus and his brutal Secondborn, once Legion brothers to Lheor and formerly the guardians of the great warship Conqueror, flagship of the World Eaters.

 

As tribal conquerors have done since the ages of antiquity, we offered our foes a choice: serve us or be destroyed. Those that chose to swear allegiance to Abaddon were permitted to join our fleet or garrison our strongholds, with some of those humbled warlords even joining Ezekyle’s inner circle. Few chose destruction, though true to our word, we let none survive once they had chosen defiance.

Through blood and fire we raised ourselves to a place of, if not pride, then at least less dire shame. We commanded a fleet. We were the lords of thousands of warriors, each one sharing our ambitions to be more than we had been. Though we were still hunted by our rivals – and none pursued us more bitterly than the last living Sons of Horus who spat at us for corrupting their legacy – we no longer lived with the blade of extinction against our throats.

 
In the novel, there are (sadly) only a few named Sons of Horus - Abaddon, Falkus, Ranegar Coval (RIP) and Amurael. The rest of the named Legionaires include

  • Khayon of course (Thousand Sons)
  • Asher-Kai (Thousand Sons)
  • Chariz Terenoch (Thousand Sons)
  • Delvarus (World Eaters)
  • Ilyaster (Death Guard)
  • Lheor (World Eaters)
  • Sargon (Word Bringers)
  • Telemachon (Emperor's Children)
  • Valicar (Iron Warriors)
  • Vortigern (Dark Angels)
  • Zaidu (Night Lords)

It is noted that the Riven - the possessed warband under Delvarus's command - includes 'sacrificial volunteers from the Sons of Horus and World Eaters, as well as prisoners from the other legions.' 
 
However Black Legion is set sometime circa M32 - when there was a finite number of Sons of Horus left. The legion's approach to geneseed isn't particular, as demonstrated by Amaruel's treatment of a thousand son sorcerer (he immediately takes it, irrespective of origin), thus they aren't breeding new marines from a pure Sons of Horus mix. So by M41, there will be far less Sons of Horus left over, and more and more of the mixing of many legions, renegades and later generations of new marines, all from shame and shadow recast in black and gold reborn.

 

Finally, it is significant to remember how Talon addressed this:

 

 

‘You are stalling,’ one of the males accused me. ‘Tell us how the Sons of Horus took their new title. Tell us how they became the Black Legion.’

At first, I had no answer. I wasn’t certain the question was genuine.

‘I said I would tell you how the Sons of Horus died and how the Black Legion was born. I never said one became the other.’

But he wasn’t finished. He had scripture of his own to quote.

‘It is written by Scryer Dianthon: “And thus, driven from Holy Terra and reigning forevermore in the underworld, the Sons of Horus, the treacherous Sixteenth, became the Black Legion.”’

Ah. Suddenly it all made sense.

‘From shame and shadow recast,’ I said softly, the words for myself alone. ‘In black and gold reborn.’

‘What?’

‘I told you – before the beginning, there was an end. The Sons of Horus never reigned in the Eye. Their ghosts commanded nothing but graveyards of their own warships. Their shades ruled over fallen fortresses. The Sons of Horus died ten thousand of your years ago. I know. I watched it happen. They were the Sixteenth Legion. But the Black Legion was not founded by the Emperor and never fought in his name. It bears no number. Numbers were only bestowed upon the Legions of the Great Crusade, and we, my Imperial friends, are the Legion of the Long War.’


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I can't believe it's taken more than a decade and a new model for this to click in my head, but... Why is Abaddon's hair red? He's almost always had black hair in artwork, including his original appearance in the cover of Codex: Chaos and later in the Eye of Terror cover (he didn't even have a top knot that time), and even his HH model's hair is black. Did the painter just feel like it was too much black along with the armour, or was there another reason for it?

 

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Possibly my favourite Codex (well alongside chaos 3.5, tyranids 3.5 and guard 3.5)...


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I think there's a good chance he might get new and improved rules.
I much prefer infantry sized characters to the giant Daemon Primarchs. It's why I'd love to see Alpharius return so Chaos can get a Guilliman style commander.

Abaddon could be this character.

Also Alpharius should be both loyal AND traitor in the rules lol

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The reason most believe as you have said they shouldn't is concealed right there in the paragraphs you posted:

Soon we recruited not lone warriors or squads, but warbands and warships. Time and again, Abaddon scattered us across the Eye in divided forces, bringing word of his return to his beleaguered Legion, offering amnesty and alliance to any that wished to join with us. Most of our new loyal brethren were the survivors of the shattered Sons of Horus. They came for one reason above all: survival. A dying Legion on the edge of extinction was suddenly presented with three of the most iconic symbols of its former strength.

Yes, you are correct, there was a death, and a birth of something new - the Sons of Horus died, but "most" that became the Black Legion were originally survivors of the Sons of Horus. That is going to color people's perceptions of the Black Legion. They aren't Legion 16, but they were definitely born from it. That birth may have been started by death and followed by a cautious return, but the core was still Sons of Horus.

So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

And the number of named characters from a certain faction doesn't indicate that the work isn't about that faction, or things like the War of Secrets wasn't a book about the Dark Angels or Tau - there are very few named characters from either group in that book, yet there are clearly numerable participants from both factions based on the text - just like above, when it says "Most... were the survivors of the shattered Sons of Horus."

The fantastic part about the Black Legion is that your personal army is going to be composed of such a small portion of the full might of the Legion that there are numerous ways you could write the lore for it and still be within the bounds of GW's overall loose canon sandbox that no one need worry.
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If I do decide to go full Black Legion, I'd rather my army be made up of former Sons of Horus so I'm happy to see that is still a thing.

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The reason most believe as you have said they shouldn't is concealed right there in the paragraphs you posted:

Soon we recruited not lone warriors or squads, but warbands and warships. Time and again, Abaddon scattered us across the Eye in divided forces, bringing word of his return to his beleaguered Legion, offering amnesty and alliance to any that wished to join with us. Most of our new loyal brethren were the survivors of the shattered Sons of Horus. They came for one reason above all: survival. A dying Legion on the edge of extinction was suddenly presented with three of the most iconic symbols of its former strength.

Yes, you are correct, there was a death, and a birth of something new - the Sons of Horus died, but "most" that became the Black Legion were originally survivors of the Sons of Horus. That is going to color people's perceptions of the Black Legion. They aren't Legion 16, but they were definitely born from it. That birth may have been started by death and followed by a cautious return, but the core was still Sons of Horus.

So what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.

And the number of named characters from a certain faction doesn't indicate that the work isn't about that faction, or things like the War of Secrets wasn't a book about the Dark Angels or Tau - there are very few named characters from either group in that book, yet there are clearly numerable participants from both factions based on the text - just like above, when it says "Most... were the survivors of the shattered Sons of Horus."

The fantastic part about the Black Legion is that your personal army is going to be composed of such a small portion of the full might of the Legion that there are numerous ways you could write the lore for it and still be within the bounds of GW's overall loose canon sandbox that no one need worry.

Thanks for your reply, it's good to read. Maybe what I said is unclear; I'm not denying numbers during 'Black Legion'. What I'm saying is that the difference is ontological - to be in the BL for any member of any old legion is to be that former identity no more. As the poster after you says for their story, the black legionnaires are former members, be it of other chapters and the original extant 18 legions (unless they are new recruits in the Eye).

For me it is about that change. To some extent, this is about personhood. When someone changes religion, they stop being the former one, they become the new one; their definition of being has changed. When one changes nationality, they lose their old citizenship, they have a new one. On the individual level the person remains the same, but they are a new identity or being that is connected to a substantial change in how they are viewed and/or view themselves.

It is also about a position-based change or identity. Those former Sons of Horus remain the same people, but their membership has changed - like irl someone isnt in the army anymore, they are in the police; or they aren't in the Maoist militia, they are in the official army that replaces it; they aren't an arian ecclesiastic, they are an Athanasian ecclesiastic. Each clear or relatively sepwrate organisations with different purposes and collective identities.

Anyway as I hope you got from my writing, I like that there are former Sons in the Legion and - more so - that ADB's novels delivered in more ways than the novel Heresy series had by their date of publication in illuminating Colchisian culture. And that was with the XVI not being central in either novel. It's really good worldbuilding.

But as a collective culture, the Black Legion is a rejection of all legions and chapters, this is inherent in taking the black and removing the heraldry of old associations (much like the Red Corsairs abject their old identities by marking over their old.insignia).

Finally, as I said, by M41/2, probably most Legionnaires are going to be later creations - either heretics bred in the Eye from the mixed Geneseed collected by apothecaries like Amaruel, or renegades from.loyalist chapters. There will be a mix of members of the original (finitely numbered) legions, but all will be limited in number - limited by the cost of the Long War, and the Legion Wars before then. Finally, the BL is meant to be huge, but given the many wars it's faced, I think it's significant to note how decimated the Sons especially were by the Legion wars - and how desecrated their Geneseed was by the other legions as a special act of vindictiveness against them. So I don't know how many Sons would realistically be left within the Legion.

That's my thinking - but I imagine many later generations of new-bred Astartes and renegades would cleave to that central Colchisian identity, although through a fractured, distant, warp- and time-tainted lens wherein what exists now is very different from what existed ten millennia before.

Anyway, i totally agree that the Legion allows all our imaginings and roleplays, which is good! I just don't understand why - given how much we know now, in such detail, about the BL's founders, principles and mixed culture - we would ever see the BL as being contiguous with or equaling the XVIth. Anyway I hope you understand my thinking on this, and that it isn't too pedantic either!

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Man is something like 93% water and yet we are not water. The Black Legion is not the 16th. The Black Legion is not the Luna Wolves. The Black Legion is not the Sons of Horus.
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Rules for Abaddon and Black Legion? I would not be at all surprised to see a new Black Legion supplement or even a Codex.

 

We know Abaddon is updated, we know CSM are updated, we know Obliterators are updated, the 'spider' is new, the artwork contains possessed marines - going out on a limb but I'd say new sculpts are likely and there may well be more updates to the CSM range


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His name and aesthetic suggest to me that Hyasphus Kul might well be a former Word Bearer, so his inclusion in Shadowspear might help spread understanding amongst the community that the Black Legion is not just a third name for the XVI Legion of the Great Crusade.


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Man is something like 93% water and yet we are not water. The Black Legion is not the 16th. The Black Legion is not the Luna Wolves. The Black Legion is not the Sons of Horus.


60% water.
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I'm usually pretty up on the fluff, but thanks for posting those paragraphs because they finally made the scope of the Black Legion "click" in my head. I actually kind of want a small BL army now just because I can give each model a history and backstory. You may have just sold me on the new kits coming out, obviously with Abaddon to lead them. And traitor guard. And beastmen. And and and...
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