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Eldar involvement on Terra?


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Ovidius Incertus

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I've just started reading Master of Mankind and, while I understand the Webway wasn't build by the Eldar themselves, the apparent location of the Impossible City near what I assume is the Terran and Martian branch of the Webway makes me assume that the Eldar were there at some point.

 

Is there any lore about the Eldar in the Solar system back in the day?  There's a C'tan on Mars, and the Webway is all up in the Solar system's business, so I'm curious about space elves on Earth, especially when the Big E was not yet the MoM.


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There are webway gates scattered across the galaxy, and we know humanity was tinkered with by alien influences during the War in heaven. There is absolutely nothing unreasonable about a gate being present in our solar system.

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There is a gate located on Terra and Mars


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There is also one in the Imperial Palace itself. I forget which book this was important in.


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And there is also a gate on Luna, according to the Rise of the Primarch book

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I'm aware that there are gates in those locations.  I thought my post indicated that. 

 

I'm interested in any lore specific to the Eldar in the Solar system, not the Webway itself.

 

I've listened to Carrion Throne and, I think, The Emperor's Legion.  Whichever one has a scene on Luna when G-man actually arrives via the Webway.  I don't recall anything in that novel about the Eldar having used it in the past, although I think Carrion Throne insinuates that the Deldar know all about Terra, i.e. that's why the haemonculus in the novel struck a bargain with the =][= .  I haven't read any of the Gathering Storm books about G-man and the Templars actually going into the Webway, though.  Is there some discussion with the Ynnari forces they allied with in those novels?


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The Eldar word for humans ‘Mon-Keigh’ (may have the spelling wrong) is derived from the simian ancestors of humans, indicating Eldar visited earth way before humans had even evolved.

It’s even mentioned in a book (possibly the forged of mars trilogy but I can’t be absolutely sure about that) so the precedent is there.

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If I am not mistaken, in the Beast Arises series we see an eldar ambassador appear inside the Imperial Palace via the webway

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The Terra gate is opened by Eldrad Ulthran in one of the TBA books. (I forget the name, but he's on the cover conveniently) unlocking it kills a lot of the Elder psykers as the seals are pretty hardcore, also IIRC, only the Harlequins knew how to get to it.

Markosian, your spelling is correct, and I can't believe I never made the link between Mon Keigh and Monkey before. But it begs a causative question. If all the 'humans' were still monkeys at the time the Eldar met them, how could the words cross over?

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Mon-Keigh were a different primitive race who due to berligerance the eldar wiped out. When the eldar first meet humans they where reminded of the mon-keigh and just named them such...source 3rd Ed Eldar Codex
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Mon-Keigh were a different primitive race who due to berligerance the eldar wiped out. When the eldar first meet humans they where reminded of the mon-keigh and just named them such...source 3rd Ed Eldar Codex

 

Yeah, the similarity to the english word monkey is just part of 40k's tongue in cheek side.

 

Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, humans are still in the simian (aka 'monkey but in latin because science') subgroup we snobbishly call apes and most contemporary species of monkey evolved after the first hominids.



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The Eldar word for humans ‘Mon-Keigh’ (may have the spelling wrong) is derived from the simian ancestors of humans, indicating Eldar visited earth way before humans had even evolved.

It’s even mentioned in a book (possibly the forged of mars trilogy but I can’t be absolutely sure about that) so the precedent is there.

the Eldar call every Alien Mon-Keigh, its a general insult thingy they use.


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The origin of the Webway gate on Terra (or at least, the one the Emperor used) is interesting. The Gate described in Master of Mankind doesn't sound like an Eldar webway gate. The Imperium is familiar enough with Eldar tech to recognise Wraithbone and it doesn't sound like the gate is made from that.

This leaves 2 other options. It could be an original gate left behind by the Old Ones. Or it could be a Necron Dolmen Gate. This option actually sounds the most plausible since the Necrons used a brute-force approach to breach the Webway since they could not fathom the underlying principles of the webway as they had no psykers themselves. This would explain why the Terran branch of the webway needs to be held open technologically with the Emperor acting as a battery to prevent daemonic incursion. The Golden Throne was not connected to a proper branch of the webway but punched a hole into it which the Emperor needed to maintain the integrity of.
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My understanding was that the Terran gate is a construction of the Emperor and the Mechanicus. When they're passing through the gate and then along the passage, the "terrain" is different to the Eldar/Old One-original webway thry connect to.
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