Charlo Posted March 6, 2019 Share Posted March 6, 2019 I guess the lack of specials is made up for by the fact they cause a wound on anything on a 6 to hit. Which will means a few extra saves for the opponent across the game. Not to mention they're still Primaris with 2W, 2A and red thirst. Solid Scout alternative, though as you say... POINTS will may or break 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 7, 2019 Author Share Posted March 7, 2019 i'm going to play-test something completely different this week just to change things up for me, so I dont get bored. I have a feeling though, that it may actually do well in this meta - and may consider changing to it. Here's what I'm looking at : ***** BA Libby Dread BA Smash Captain 5x Tactical Marines - Axe, Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer 5x Tactical Marines - Axe, Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer 5x Tactical Marines - Axe, Combi-Melta, Heavy Flamer Razorback - Twin Las, SB Razorback - Twin Las, SB Razorback - Twin Las Dreadnought - Twinlas/TwinAuto Sicaran Quad Mortar Quad Mortar ***** DW Captain- Hammer, JP 5x Veterans - Shields, SB 5x Veterans - Shields, SB Razorback - Las/Plas, SB Razorback - Las/Plas, SB *****Assassin ***** BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Looks like a Morticon classic! That is a lotta Lascannons... I'm intrigued to see how this does. Will the 5 man tacticools make enough of an impact?! Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zon Posted March 7, 2019 Share Posted March 7, 2019 Mort dusting off the 5th ed BA lists from ye olde days Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 8, 2019 Author Share Posted March 8, 2019 After Charlo's comment, I even tried to get a vanguard vet jumpy squad in the mix. Sadly, I think it removes too much of the lists core concept. BLACK BLΠFLY and Charlo 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLŒ FLY Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I’m running a patrol now for Deathwatch with a jump Watch Captain: Sergeant - power axe & stormbolter Black Shield - stormshield & stormbolter 4x Veteran - stormshield & stormbolter 2x Veteran - frag cannon 2x Terminator power fist & stormbolter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 Keen to hear how the frags play. Please let us know! So, I found out on Friday that there is a new Tau player on the scene and he's really good, with a very solid tau list. This means that the really cool, fun list that I was thinking of playing is probably not going to see the light of day (though, i probably will give it a test drive some time). That being said, I played with the following variation on the main list against the Eldar list that beat me last week. BA - BATT BA Smash Cap - Hammer, Shield, Angels Wing, Artisan. BA Libby Dread - Quickening, Wings 5x Scouts - storm bolter 5x Scouts - storm bolter 5x Intercessors - grenade 8x Vanvets - 5shields, 1Axe, Maul, 1Swords 1x Quad Mortar 1x Quad Mortar DW - BATT Libby - JP, Stormbolter (Veil, Might) Captain - JP, Stormbolter, Hammer (Beacon here, now) 8x Vets - 2Terms, 1Vanguard, 7 stormbolters, 6shields. 10x Vets - 5Bikers (homer), 5SB, 3SS. 10x Vets - 5Bikers (homer), 5SB, 4SS. + Assassin.******** The game provided sweet, sweet vengeance against the crafty Eldar. First two turns were absolutely brutal, and it was backfoot for him for the rest of it. I wont give a full break down, but, the list played as it should. Charlo and BLACK BLΠFLY 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHelion Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 How did you find the Quad launchers? I'm considering adding some in myself in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 On account of how aggressive the list is, they were unmolested all game. It was a weird decision by fw to make their shatter shot 24". So, you rarely get to use them. I would say if you do use them make sure they're out of LoS. Also, youre looking at 3-5 wounds a shot vs most targets sadly, so they aren't amazing. Just steady workhorses and necessary units if you're up against tau. Their smaller footprint means they can hide better than the comparable whirlwind at same cost. Also, their crew are hardly ever targetable, making them very good back field units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 (edited) One more variation into the fray, because my mind isnt ready to give up on that mech list just yet.... BA - BATT BA Smash Cap - Hammer, Shield, Angels Wing, Artisan. BA Libby Dread - Quickening, Wings 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 1x Quad Mortar 1x Quad Mortar1x Quad Mortar Razorback - TLLCRazorback - TLLC Razorback - TLAC Admech - BATT Enginseer Enginseer 5x Rangers- 2Arquebus 5x Rangers- 2Arquebus 5x Rangers- 2Arquebus DW - PATROL Captain - JP, Stormbolter, Hammer (Beacon ) 8x Vets - 2Terms, 1Vanguard, 7 stormbolters, 6shields. 5x Vets - 5SS,4SB Razorback - TLLC + Assassin. Thoughts? Edited March 11, 2019 by Morticon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 No fan of it in a competitive environment :( I don't know your local meta, but at least half of my Razorback would be blown up if I would bring something like this.... I'm actually also brainstorming some ideas for BA + DW atm and I might think they could be some merit in focusing on 2W models. My idea would be to have a DW jumppack captain run up the board with the Beacon relic and have a 10 man scout consisting of 5 Intercessors and 5 Aggressors teleporting into cover and blow up your enemies screen. This unit is pretty though since its T5 and can first take wounds Intercessor. All the while your BA heroes run up the board. You could even have a big blob of SG with the banner running up ad well if you want to overload your opponent on high threats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 My only worry is that there just isn't a strong enough "core". It's just 30 wounds of troops split between marines and skitarii, however maybe this is the blessing as target priority is a bit moot when it's all Razors! I guess you'll be playing the threat-neutralizing game, combined arms to pick off whatever is the biggest hamper to your guys then cleaning up VP with scoring bodies who can hopefully handle themselves. Will the Libby Dread get enough done without Might of Heroes from a DW Libby? Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Looking at neonmoles lists I'd say there doesn't have to be a strong "core" in form of infantry if the rest of the list compensates for it. ^^ The Libby Dread is perfectly fine without Might of Heroes imo. Its biggest problem is the amount of attacks which can only be solved with our +1d3 attacks Stratagem unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lash144 Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 And by hopefully getting Quickening off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Looking at neonmoles lists I'd say there doesn't have to be a strong "core" in form of infantry if the rest of the list compensates for it. ^^ But his core is the large amount of intercessors in repulsors? A lot hardier than 5 tacs in a razor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 Looking at neonmoles lists I'd say there doesn't have to be a strong "core" in form of infantry if the rest of the list compensates for it. ^^ But his core is the large amount of intercessors in repulsors? A lot hardier than 5 tacs in a razor! Well his latest list has only 3x5 Intercessors, so barely the minimum requirement for a Battalion. That's not a large amount. ^^But yeah Intercessors in Repulsors is of course more durable. That why you'd have to take a few more Razorbacks than you'd do with Repulsors and be prepared to lose some of them early. Overall the Repulsor variant is probably the more competetive one for multiple reasons but that wasn't up to debate here. Just saying that you don't necessarily need hordes of Marine infantry if the rest of the list compensates for it somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 And by hopefully getting Quickening off. Quickening is nice but I rather take Shield together with Wings. That way he can protect himself against high AP weaponry or some other unit like my Redemptor or Repulsor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 Great thoughts and considerations guys. Yeah, all the weaknesses in worried about. in terms of wounds, my most recent iteration has around 60/70. In terms of powers, quickening is what makes the Libby in my mind. Its what gives him his first turn charges and allows him to really put the hurt on. Charlo 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zon Posted March 11, 2019 Share Posted March 11, 2019 I think the razors can work really well with a lynchpin. How open are you to exchanging the admech in the mech variation? Not sure how many points it brings you but if you can pack in a leviathan or something to take the heat off the razorbacks it could be enough saturation to let them survive for long enough. Using the previous comparison to neon's repulsor list, I'm thinking the razors would be like the redemptors in that they can do serious work if there are distraction carnifexes to draw focus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 11, 2019 Author Share Posted March 11, 2019 I'll give it a bash this weekend! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 Will look at this over the weekend after recommendations from the group. BA - BATT BA Smash Cap - Hammer, Shield, Angels Wing, Artisan. BA Libby Dread - Quickening, Wings 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 5x Tac- Heavy Flamer, Combi-melta, Axe 1x Quad Mortar Razorback - TLLC, SBRazorback - TLPG, SB Razorback - TLPG, SB DW - PATROL Captain - JP, Stormbolter, Hammer (Beacon ) 8x Vets - 2Terms, 1Vanguard, 7 stormbolters, 6shields. 5x Vets - 5SS,5SB Razorback - TLLC, SB 1x Quad Mortar 1x Leviathan Dread - Grav/Storm + Assassin.Only thing I worry about is how tragically empty the backline is :/ But looks like fun, nevertheless. I shifted to las/plas razors as the Levvy will pick up a lot of the heavy lifting, and the lasplas will put out a lot more damage. 1x Quad Morta1r BLACK BLΠFLY 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 If the Levy is supposed to do a lot of the heavy lifting lets just hope it survives long enough. Looks to me like an opponent would try to focus it down the same way as the.öy'd do with a Knight or Repulsor. Do you think your list can still work if the Levy is gone turn 1 already? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 If the Levy is supposed to do a lot of the heavy lifting lets just hope it survives long enough. Looks to me like an opponent would try to focus it down the same way as the.öy'd do with a Knight or Repulsor. Do you think your list can still work if the Levy is gone turn 1 already? In a way, yeh. I think the strength is getting the beacon jump on the infantry, then key units taken out by the hard hitters, and the tacticals trying to pull their weight as well. I really dont know if it will work...but, if the enemy targets the levvy instead of the razors i will be happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I guess at this point you just have to playtest it for real. Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted March 17, 2019 Author Share Posted March 17, 2019 Played with the razor list today. Worked really well against an armour heavy, anti armour list. Played like clockwork and tables opponent in four turns. I don't think it's a tourney winner though, and am looking at something else for the North China Open Panzer and Majkhel 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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