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Fantastic timeline!
I cant wait to see it fully fleshed out! Its something i have been working on myself for my IA article recently.
Trying to represent 20+ years of wargaming for one Chapter. Give it a look and comments when you can.
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Segmentum Ultima::Dolchiate Sector ++Tales of Warfare in a Sector of the 41st Millennium++
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Thanks

Give it a look and comments when you can.

I'll do my best :tu:
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Looks all properly plausible and incredibly interesting...…. Well done Brotherthumbsup.gif

 

Meanwhile, back to organization...… 

- How large is your warband?

- Will it generally maintain it's pre-corruption structure?

- Will it still be fleet based or headquartered on your Daemon Forge World?

- Etc.

- Etc.

 

Here's something for thoughtdry.png ........ You mentioned that the sector was originally conquered during the Great Crusade by forces of the Iron Warriors and Night Lords. Perhaps at some point the War Wolves discover a hidden cache of relic weapons (tanks, dreadnoughts (empty), flyers.... whatever) left by the Iron Warriors. This could give you some interesting and exotic muscle outside of the usual chaos fare. There's historical precedence for this..... one example is during the early expansion of Japanese forces against Australia during WW2 the Australians were seriously considering falling back from the coast to consolidate and counterattack from the interior. To this end, they prepositioned large caches of weapons (tanks, fighter planes, bombers, rifles, ammunition, etc.) in huge underground bunkers. Fortunately, they never had to do this, when the United States entered the war and saved the dayrolleyesclean.gif msn-wink.gif ...... just a thought.

 

Awesome work so far


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Meanwhile, back to organization...…
- How large is your warband?

That's a good question! I'd been tentatively thinking they'd be more or less chapter sized - while they no longer get access to their homeworld, they are still young enough that their geneseed is not yet so mutated they can't continue recruiting, and I was going to say they probably won't lose too many men in the Cardinal's Slaughter...
However! it may be more interesting from a story point of view that the time the Cardinal chooses to order them to destroy the population of their homeworld, they are actually rather heavily depleted from a previous campaign.
So, how about they're down to between 600 and 700 marines (including scouts) before the Slaughter. Let's say they lose another 70 during the fighting there (they meet a lot of resistance from the local convent of the Ardent Sword Order of the Adepta Sororitas). Assorted fighting (and especially taking over control of Helsmed) perhaps makes them lose another 50. So I'm looking at a tentative 480 to 580. However, from their time raiding from the Psyphon (the local warp storm), they do get some recruitment, plus a fair amount "level up" by going Berserker or Possessed; they get new access to Daemon Engines; and they find a traitor guard regiment or two that they "convince" to join their cause... So at the end of the day, they'll probably end up round the 500 to 550 mark, but their average power per capita will be stronger then they were as loyalists.

- Will it generally maintain it's pre-corruption structure?

This one will be a definite no - instead, they'll rally around "power figures", diverse Lords, Exalted Champions, Sorcerors and other assorted characters (in particular, the announced Lord Discordant looks so amazing I know I'll have to create a named one for my warband!). Eventually there'll be a variety of fighting styles present, with "sub-warbands" forming and often fighting fairly independently.

- Will it still be fleet based or headquartered on your Daemon Forge World?

Between the time they are granted their homeworld and the Slaughter, they will have moved to a gradually more sedentary lifestyle. However, they will essentially move their whole fleet to the Psyphon with as much equipment and inhabitants they can rip up from their homeworld. From then on, they'll remain fleet based, but keep Helsmed as a "home port" from which to launch raids to slaughter and steal slaves and potential recruits.

You mentioned that the sector was originally conquered during the Great Crusade by forces of the Iron Warriors and Night Lords. Perhaps at some point the War Wolves discover a hidden cache of relic weapons (tanks, dreadnoughts (empty), flyers.... whatever) left by the Iron Warriors. This could give you some interesting and exotic muscle outside of the usual chaos fare.

This is definitely an interesting idea. While my Heresy army is Iron Warriors (which I also use as CSM in 40k) - meaning I'm not going to use a cache of IW stuff, some kind of throwback to the Great Crusade and Heresy in the Sarment Sector could indeed be plausible... this is something I'll have to explore later
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Looks good Brotherthumbsup.gif

 

The only point of contention I take is with your attrition level from "The Slaughter". To me 70 marines is rather high. To be honest, casualty levels  in the 40K fluff and lit among Space Marines is a big pet peeve with me. Having seen first hand what a small, well trained, well equipped fighting force can do in the real world. It always befuddles me when I see high casualties among the Space Marine units unless they are going toe to toe with other Astartes. With all due respect to my Sororitas and Astra Militarum brothers and sisters, unless a Space Marine force is presenting itself in a unprotected gunline, facing a  chapter (or company) should be an extinction level event. That's why the Emperor made them in the first place. I'm not at all uncomfortable with maintaining a high survival rate within your warband. Some may cry "Mary Sue", to which I reply, "Adeptus Astartes…. they don't call them THE ANGELS OF DEATH for nothin'verymad.gif"

 

Ok... I'm donebiggrin.png Proceed as you see fit...… looking forward to more.



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The thing is, they're taking on an entire fortified world of Sororitas - coming out of that with only 70 or so losses is already a pretty massive achievement in my mind

Regarding the weapons cache, I had started working on a response when my computer shorted out, so I'll have to get back to it ^^'

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Casualties might not necessarily be deaths. 70 marines could become non combat fit maybe even for good and still be alive.
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That's a very good point!
And I do have a few helbrute models...

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Entry 07 - Warband Organisation

This one will probably be a bit shorter than previous entries, mainly because I have less comparative material to work with - this looks set to change in a couple of weeks, with the release date of Vigilus 2 announced, a book which is said to include a fair amount of data on Renegade Chapters.

In the mean time, I am pretty sure there will be a few different formations around a few select personalities. While these will primarily be based on groups of models I have, I'll attempt to develop some fluff for them based on Anglo-Saxon warfare and culture.

To start, everyone has heard about the viking Berserkers. From some fast research, early anglo-saxons also had this kind of warrior. In addition, two other "animal warrior" orders existed : the Ulfhednar and the Svinfylkir.
It looks like the Berserkers were more physically imposing, where the Ulfhednar were more enraged and the Svinfylkir were more disciplined and fought in a very specific wedge formation - they also seemed to wear more armour than their counterparts and protected less armoured archers that moved forwards with them.

From this, I was able to draw parallels between :
- "Berserkers" (Bear warriors) and Possessed
- "Ulfhednar" (Wolf warriors) and Khornate Berserkers
- "Svinfylkir" (Boar Warriors) and Terminators, protecting standard marines

By extrapolating the animal theme, two other animals had an important part in Anglo-saxon religions: Ravens, which would work for Raptors; and Horses, which would work for bikers.

However, I also liked the idea of representing a group of Anglo-saxon warriors we have more historical information on: the Housecarls. These soldiers wore mail hauberks (the best of the best at the time) and used large daneaxes. Historical daneaxes actually had smaller hafts then pop culture would suggest, but I don't mind using pop culture references alongside historical stuff. The question is, how could these be represented on the table and in the fluff? With the lack of much two handed weaponry in the game now, and rumours of some Terminators with polearms, I decided to put this idea on the backburner.

Another group of models I have and that haven't yet been represented in fluff are my Daemon Engines and Helbrutes - potentially obliterators and Havocs. With the large number of monsters in Anglo-saxon mythology and folklore, I decided to look for parallels there.

The Einherjar in norse mythology are the fallen warriors in Valhalla - it would therefore be logical for these to represent the Dreadnoughts and Helbrutes. Whether these are all formed together in a single formation or whether they are spread out in the other formations would be a good question though

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I think your development of the "Berserker" units looks very promising..... I especially like the way you've defined them. Each group has a very different character and feel, but a common thread to tie them together.

 

In the old fluff, Obliterators were a specific Chaos cult, separate from the warbands. It might be interesting to use them as mercenaries (allies) rather than being of War Wolves gene stock.

 

When Helbrutes were first introduced as the new Chaos dreadnaughts, they were described as rather crazed. They might be more effective and colorful if organized in a pack like war hounds, run by a particularly ferocious Aspiring Chaos Champion.

 

Your Housecarls, I assume would be a Chaos Space Marine Chosen Squad. As far as the look goes, perhaps some variation on this:

 

https://www.forgewor...erminators-2019

 

….. or this:

 

https://www.forgewor...tack-Squad-2018

 

might work.

 

It's all coming together very nicelythumbsup.gif ..... I hope you are pleased with what you have so far.


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I think your development of the "Berserker" units looks very promising..... I especially like the way you've defined them. Each group has a very different character and feel, but a common thread to tie them together.

Yeah that was definitely my hope - it allows me to explore some varied aspects of Anglo-saxon culture while at the same time following the sort of "organisation" that chaos warbands seem to have in the lore

In the old fluff, Obliterators were a specific Chaos cult, separate from the warbands. It might be interesting to use them as mercenaries (allies) rather than being of War Wolves gene stock.

That is... an astonishingly good idea! In fact, I may steal it for the daemon engines as a whole, create a kind of separate Warband... I may even go as far as picking up your idea of the Iron Warriors cache and use them as mercenaries - that way I'd be able to stick them to my heresy-era Iron Warriors far more easily! Plus I find the concept of mercenaries far too underused in 40k...

When Helbrutes were first introduced as the new Chaos dreadnaughts, they were described as rather crazed. They might be more effective and colorful if organized in a pack like war hounds, run by a particularly ferocious Aspiring Chaos Champion.

Perhaps... though perhaps a Warpsmith, who is aware of just how to control his charges if push comes to shove could be a good one too... I'm still not sure of this one to be honest, I'd probably rather explore their homeworld and beliefs a bit more before committing on this one

Your Housecarls, I assume would be a Chaos Space Marine Chosen Squad. As far as the look goes, perhaps some variation on this:

https://www.forgewor...erminators-2019

….. or this:

https://www.forgewor...tack-Squad-2018

might work.

Hmm, not certain - the cataphractii don't really fit with a younger renegade chapter imo. Perhaps I could switch round the Terminators to be Housecarls and the chosen as the Boar Warriors I suppose... to be continued I think...

It's all coming together very nicelythumbsup.gif ..... I hope you are pleased with what you have so far.

Definitely! Thanks for the help and interest guys :D

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Brother Lunkhead, on 18 Mar 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:snapback.png

When Helbrutes were first introduced as the new Chaos dreadnaughts, they were described as rather crazed. They might be more effective and colorful if organized in a pack like war hounds, run by a particularly ferocious Aspiring Chaos Champion.

Perhaps... though perhaps a Warpsmith, who is aware of just how to control his charges if push comes to shove could be a good one too... I'm still not sure of this one to be honest, I'd probably rather explore their homeworld and beliefs a bit more before committing on this one
 

Warpsmith is a much better idea.

 

 

Brother Lunkhead, on 18 Mar 2019 - 11:45 AM, said:snapback.png

Your Housecarls, I assume would be a Chaos Space Marine Chosen Squad. As far as the look goes, perhaps some variation on this:

https://www.forgewor...erminators-2019

….. or this:

https://www.forgewor...tack-Squad-2018

might work.
 

Hmm, not certain - the cataphractii don't really fit with a younger renegade chapter imo. Perhaps I could switch round the Terminators to be Housecarls and the chosen as the Boar Warriors I suppose... to be continued I think...
 

I generally agree. Perhaps some of this more arcane armour was part of the Iron Warrior cache. I must admit I'm partial to diverse armour and I use it liberaly in my own DIY chapter.

 

I'm just throwing out ideas. If you actually use one or more of them, I'm honored. But I'm just putting them out there to fire the old neurons in different directionsbiggrin.png


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