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Chaos Space Marines - Range Refresh


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A small thing, but something that jumped out at me was:

 

or butcher cannon-armed Contemptor Dreadnoughts…

 

 

How often do articles about mainstream GW releases acknowledge the existence of Forgeworld models?

 

Regularly. ^^


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Hey guys, did you know the Night Lords affected enemy Leadership? Well just in case you didn't here is fifteen more ways for them to affect enemy leadership. Boy! They sure are so scary because they affect enemy Leadership. Did we mention that there are new stratagems that give minuses to enemy Leadership? Because there are! Did you also know that the Nightlords use Raptors, Warptalons and... Literally NOTHING else?! That's right! It's all Keyword: JUMP PACKS all the time for these TERROR troops of the Chaos Marines!

 

p.s. BOO!

 

In all seriousness, they had the tools to debuff Ld, they should've bought in something like Talent for Murder from the Heresy (+1 to hit & wound if they outnumber) or a different rule to represent dirty fighting.

 

The new models absolutely shine in the NL scheme though, it's perfect for them. Always dug them as a Chaos force.


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Yeah GW do like running ideas to extream.... look at Sisters beta 'dex with ways of ignoring moral (something like 8 different ways)


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Hey guys, did you know the Night Lords affected enemy Leadership? Well just in case you didn't here is fifteen more ways for them to affect enemy leadership. Boy! They sure are so scary because they affect enemy Leadership. Did we mention that there are new stratagems that give minuses to enemy Leadership? Because there are! Did you also know that the Nightlords use Raptors, Warptalons and... Literally NOTHING else?! That's right! It's all Keyword: JUMP PACKS all the time for these TERROR troops of the Chaos Marines!

 

p.s. BOO!

 

In all seriousness, they had the tools to debuff Ld, they should've bought in something like Talent for Murder from the Heresy (+1 to hit & wound if they outnumber) or a different rule to represent dirty fighting.

 

The new models absolutely shine in the NL scheme though, it's perfect for them. Always dug them as a Chaos force.

 

Wholeheartedly agree.  The one time I managed to get a major morale debuff on a big unit my opponent spent the CP to auto pass the morale...wheee.

 I guess since I don't have to buy any new models or change my list to get this detachment and its bonuses, it's technically a net positive?


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Consider as well it lets you add some morale shenanigans to a non-NL army, which could be fun.

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To be fair, leadership debuffs aren't anything to sneeze at with the widespread lack of Fearless-type rules this edition. Warp Talons are still trash though.

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A small thing, but something that jumped out at me was:

or butcher cannon-armed Contemptor Dreadnoughts…


How often do articles about mainstream GW releases acknowledge the existence of Forgeworld models?

That jumped out at me - I didn't know Chaos Contemptor's could take Butcher cannons. The link goes to the Decimator Deamon engine.
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To be fair, leadership debuffs aren't anything to sneeze at with the widespread lack of Fearless-type rules this edition. Warp Talons are still trash though.

 

Agree to disagree. I think the initial morale and leadership changes were quite good and on the right track to how morale could affect larger units/hordes rather than just weapons alone. However, there are so many ways now to negate it for players affected through special rules (ATSKNF, stubborn-like rules etc), orders, strategems, auras and finally simple command re-rolls.

 

GW were on the right track with leadership changes but as usual as editions and rules changes the initial design philosophy gets lost in the bloat. Pretty much why NL and WB chapter tactics are seen as a minor aid.


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A small thing, but something that jumped out at me was:

or butcher cannon-armed Contemptor Dreadnoughts…

How often do articles about mainstream GW releases acknowledge the existence of Forgeworld models?
That jumped out at me - I didn't know Chaos Contemptor's could take Butcher cannons. The link goes to the Decimator Deamon engine.

Per Forge World, Chaos Contemptor Butcher Cannons are just special Autocannons. You could kitbash Butcher Cannons from the Decimator ones though, which would probably look pretty sweet now that I think of it....



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Yeah sorry I realized I was working off my own erroneous assumption from yesterday that they'd be doing multiple articles a day.

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I think we were all wrong!!


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https://www.warhamme...omepage-post-3/

 

I think we were all wrong!!

I suspect this might be damage control because the images were datamined. It makes no sense for them to put Renegades at the end of the Index and release the article now.


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They only showed up one stratagem for the Host. Maybe there's more? Maybe we'll get the 3d6 charge one from the BAs ported over?

A guy can dream.

Loyalist armies get our stuff, not the other way around man.

That Purge strategem is classy though...

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This is something I think the community has been begging for a while. More command points for using an army selection. I could see this working with say, Deathwing.

 

Ran


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So....point of note.... 

*WHY* are the *RENEGADES* better across the board for rules then the dang TRAITOR LEGIONS?!?!?!  

 

Is this a "new" rules thing is better then the old rules they don't want to change thing? 


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Red Corsairs. For clarity (poorly me)

Does it mean if I take a battalion and include 3 CSM things I get 8 command points instead of 5?
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So....point of note.... 

*WHY* are the *RENEGADES* better across the board for rules then the dang TRAITOR LEGIONS?!?!?!  

 

Is this a "new" rules thing is better then the old rules they don't want to change thing? 

I was just discussing with my local crew that the difference in when these traits were written is obscenely evident.  It seems half baked to not update the legion traits while adding to the renegades.  As a NL player I feel like the guy who bought a raffle ticket, and then the guy immediately behind me wins when he buys his.  Very happy for the renegade players and this is pushing me to actually painting up my extra Dark Vengeance marines as Crimson Slaughter and expanding that force!


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Get Huron for renegades, just ignore a new Abbadon just dropping by. Nah GW just nah.

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This one is a bit confusing, do you get the command point on a 5+ and the passing of morale, or is 5+ command point, and even if you fail you still get to pass morale tests?

 

Ran


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Red Corsairs. For clarity (poorly me)

Does it mean if I take a battalion and include 3 CSM things I get 8 command points instead of 5?

As a trade-off you don't have access to veterans of the longwar.

I think it's you get the command point and are immune to moral until the end of the turn.

Edited by Trevak Dal, 20 March 2019 - 04:08 PM.

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Well, wasn't expecting that today! Also wasn't expecting them to take the Crimson Slaughter in that direction, although it makes sense now I think about it.

I'm also glad the Purge stratagem exists, I'm amazed it's not been done yet.

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These Renegade rules are just insult to injury for Night Lords players lol


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So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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This one is a bit confusing, do you get the command point on a 5+ and the passing of morale, or is 5+ command point, and even if you fail you still get to pass morale tests?

 

Ran

 

I believe that it is an effect that will happen regardless of if you get the 5+ or not if the intent of the flavor text is to be believed.


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Again, the renegade rules are pretty awesome (like that Fallen might be a legal "rule of 3" army...might go that route...if they don't bungle things) but they don't have access to Vets of the Longwar.

Though I bet money it is going up in points.

The Purge is the only Nurgle-related thing I've ever liked. And that strat is classy as heck. Billy the cultist and his lock-in-a-sock buddies are fighting Primarch Guilliman, and he's really whomping them hard. I'd be a shame if Guilliman suddenly didn't have invulnerable saves and ate a crap ton of plasma shots."

Edited by Trevak Dal, 20 March 2019 - 04:14 PM.

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Hooooly crap the Red Corsairs are insane!

 

8 CP for a Battallion of Chaos Marines. Totally awesome.

 

HAHAHAHA The Fallen are awesome too. Heresy Dark Angel count-as says HELLO!


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At a loss of Veterans of the Longwar. And taking chaos Marines (which I don't mind. I got into chaos space Marines to not play the disgruntled imperial citizens alliance)

That souped up combimelta would be classy on a Terminator Lord (or sorcerer) with the beta Bolter rules

Edited by Trevak Dal, 20 March 2019 - 04:17 PM.

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