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Siege of Terra Rampant Speculation and Wishlisting Thread

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I wouldn't mind seeing Taranis ascend to daemon princehood.



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Lot of Heresy in this thread.

All I want is Khârn to take the wall breach first, and die getting dragged down by a mob after slaying hundreds.

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When Khârn finally falls (if anyone other than Sigismund does it I'm going to be massively let down) I want him to go through a similar experience to

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and have that moment of the rage fading and being completely at peace only to have it snatched away with the realisation that he'll do this forever.

Would like to see Lucius vs Sigismund. Sometimes, the best tactic is to retreat (Even Black Templars know when to give up)
Sigismund is an Imperial Fist. Imperial Fists do not retreat.
Funny considering the Black Templars are neither attritionist nor siege specialist


Black Templars bailed out of the Achilus Crusade when they stopped gaining ground


In one battle against World Eaters and Cultists, they repeatedly fall back. WE start killing each other then the BT attack


Instead of staying in Armageddon, the BT left to chase Ghazhgakull!

Lot of Heresy in this thread.

All I want is Khârn to take the wall breach first, and die getting dragged down by a mob after slaying hundreds.


You mean a Million. Khârn killed a Million defenders during the Siege. Wouldn't surprise me if the novels jump it to a Billion

The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall!

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A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege?

At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days.

Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated...

Bad fluff.
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Yeah i woudnt get hung on the numbers. Besides, what does Khârn killing a million guardsmen really mean? Its best if he has an impact against astartes, even if that number is low, like in the hundreds.


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A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege?

At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days.

Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated...

Bad fluff.


The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources


Yeah i woudnt get hung on the numbers. Besides, what does Khârn killing a million guardsmen really mean? Its best if he has an impact against astartes, even if that number is low, like in the hundreds.


START with Guardsmen then MOVE UP to bigger fish, like a video game!

(Imperial Fists, Blood Angels and Custodes were guarding the walls of the Imperial Palace. Khârn must have encountered them)


Simo Hayha killed 1/100th of the Soviets that Finland killed in the Winter War


Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium

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The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall!


THEN he jumps off the page and kills the reader!
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Funny considering the Black Templars are neither attritionist nor siege specialist


Black Templars bailed out of the Achilus Crusade when they stopped gaining ground


In one battle against World Eaters and Cultists, they repeatedly fall back. WE start killing each other then the BT attack


Instead of staying in Armageddon, the BT left to chase Ghazhgakull!

 

Last time I checked, Sigismund was still an Imperial Fist during the siege and still followed regular Imperial Fists combat training. What's all this nonsense about Black Templars?


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Well the imperial fists, in 30k at least, arent at all against tactical withdraws, or, retreats. See: evacuation of mars. Battle of Phall, even the battle on Sotha (with alexis polux covering the retreat, IIRC). They just dont get into a rout (because thats tactically unsound, unlike a tactical withdraw to a better position or to delay, and etc). But there is no reason for Sigismund to retreat to anyone in a 1x1, as said in Gav thorpe's solar war novel excerpt.


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A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege?

At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days.

Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated...

Bad fluff.

The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources

 

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Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium

 

 

50 Days. You are looking at 20,000 people a day. 833 an Hour. It is LITERALLY an idiotic number. Khârn does not kill 6000 people a day. I mean I know of your reputation around here but what would even make you think to spout such a number?

 

This is the end of the series.

 

This is the bar that must be set higher than any set of books Black Library has printed. I'm not here to read a 'video game'. I'm here to read Khârn beg the Iron Warriors to leave (Slaves to Darkness), on the verge of breaking down into tears. I'm here to witness what it takes for a post-Human to crack. To finally break under the weight of madness of their own choosing. I'm here to see the shattered remnants of a once great Empire struggle on not realizing it is dead and the characters in these stories come to grips with that, or deny it, to the bitter end when Chaos ultimately does consume them.

 

I'm not here for a joke and some idiotic numbers meant to impress a 6th grader...


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it seems to come from a Khârn quote from the weakness of others

 

 

"I was the first to stand upon the walls of the Imperial Palace. I was the last to be borne away from Terra, my body broken from the slaying of one million of the emperor's lackeys through the breach at lions gate. None shall ever surpass my count. The contest is over. I won"

 

i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler

 

4chan ran with it as fact though. because, of course they did

 

personally, i like the ridiculous numbers when there's a thematic reason for it (the grimdark of bureaucratic waste for instance) but less so when it comes down to one angry dude with a chainsword not taking any naps


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it seems to come from a Khârn quote from the weakness of others


"I was the first to stand upon the walls of the Imperial Palace. I was the last to be borne away from Terra, my body broken from the slaying of one million of the emperor's lackeys through the breach at lions gate. None shall ever surpass my count. The contest is over. I won"


i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler

4chan ran with it as fact though. because, of course they did

personally, i like the ridiculous numbers when there's a thematic reason for it (the grimdark of bureaucratic waste for instance) but less so when it comes down to one angry dude with a chainsword not taking any naps

Grimdark to me. Khârn slaughter of a million people brings a whole new level of desensititing to violence and a sense of inhumanity not yet seen by the Imperium


The Imperium experienced one-sided victory after victory during the Great Crusade, not relying on numbers to wear down their enemies


The Horus Heresy marks the transition from D-day and Patton Bliztkriegs into 'throwing as many expendable Guardsmen and Marines' at the problem. Think of the Barbarians at the Gate, the Endless Horde, the Mongol atrocities which killed Millions. Corpses forming walls and Pyramids of Skulls


Khârn epitomizes the fear that Vlad, Attila and Genghis Khan inflicted on civilization that we still remember today. We NEED Khârn to distinguish him from all the other Chaos Champions, especiallt those of Khorne! We NEED TO FEEL that Khârn and the others inflicted permanent Scars on Terra that are there even in the present day!

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i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler

 

Not to endorse Moonreaper in any way shape or form, but it has been noted in a few other publications that Khârn has a kill-counter in his helmet. The wonders of technology!


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The best way to depict Khârn's rampage is to have him start out killing puny Guardsmen, then go to Solar Auxilia, go to Skitarii/Techpriest and up and up AND UP until he 'dies' at the Wall!


THEN he jumps off the page and kills the reader!

 

 

Warning, reader discretion is advised...


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I don’t know why you guys are engaging with counterfactual lore. Not one thing moonreaper has ever said has a basis in the real lore.
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i mean, unless he stopped to scribble a tally into his blood soaked moleskine notebook at the siege, i think it's safe to say ol' Khârn was plucking that number out of his ...waste recycler


Not to endorse Moonreaper in any way shape or form, but it has been noted in a few other publications that Khârn has a kill-counter in his helmet. The wonders of technology!

haha now i just have this image of Khârn not being able to see out of his own visor due to all the zeros on screen once he hits a mill
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Solar War is definitely an exciting read, I went through it at work. Makes me want to read Horus Rising, to be honest especially the last half of the book, gut wrenching stuff to see ~11 years of writing to end in such a bloody way - though you kind of have to expect it.


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A million is a stupid number. How long is the actual fighting portion of the siege?
At a kill EVERY SECOND that's eleven 24 hour days.
Ignore the fact that his enemies would literally bury him in bodies while lining up assembly line style to get decapitated...
Bad fluff.


The Siege (when Horus began bombarding Terra after taking out Luna) lasted more than 50 days in Collected Visions and other older sources
 
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Khârn kills at least 6k people every day in the 41st Millenium
 
50 Days. You are looking at 20,000 people a day. 833 an Hour. It is LITERALLY an idiotic number. Khârn does not kill 6000 people a day. I mean I know of your reputation around here but what would even make you think to spout such a number?
 
This is the end of the series.
 
This is the bar that must be set higher than any set of books Black Library has printed. I'm not here to read a 'video game'. I'm here to read Khârn beg the Iron Warriors to leave (Slaves to Darkness), on the verge of breaking down into tears. I'm here to witness what it takes for a post-Human to crack. To finally break under the weight of madness of their own choosing. I'm here to see the shattered remnants of a once great Empire struggle on not realizing it is dead and the characters in these stories come to grips with that, or deny it, to the bitter end when Chaos ultimately does consume them.
 
I'm not here for a joke and some idiotic numbers meant to impress a 6th grader...

I was under the impression that the million kills started once he installed the kill-counter in his helm, at the earliest 6 years before the Siege. With the amount of slaughtering the World Eaters did to appease Angron, plus the fact that in the first battle he wore it, Khârn already had thirty kills in the first few moments, it’s completely plausible he racked up that many kills in the span of time he had it.

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If that www the case, it certainly becomes more palatable.

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I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity.  It turns out he is Morgan Freeman.


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I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity. It turns out he is Morgan Freeman.

Please Keanu Reeves ;)

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I want... at the end, the Emperor to reveal his true identity. It turns out he is Morgan Freeman.

Please Keanu Reeves msn-wink.gif

 

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I want Daemons to play a huge role in attacking Terra. The Daemons should be keeping the Loyalist Guardsmen, Skitarii and Knights occupied and whitlling them down through attrition

I wonder if Aeonid Theil's knowledge (melee and flame attacks deal extra damage to Daemons) would play a role during the Siege. Custodes should be using more Flame weapons

One way to explain why Custodes took more casualties in the Webway Breach than at the Siege is they DID NOT focus on flame and close combat in the former

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They used a huge amount of close combat...they were just overwhelmed by the sheer number of daemons, csm and titans
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