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May (?) White Dwarf - Rise of the Ynnari


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It could be that they are going to get the same treatment that the sisters got with a beta book. It seems likely that sisters pushed something out of the release schedule when they were unexpectedly demanded by the community.

The crimson fists article coincided with the upgrade sprue so it is possible that some plastic will accompany the article.

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I'm sort of wondering if it's possible that GW put the brakes on the Ynnari because of their lukewarm reception (at least in my experience). I haven't really met anyone that actually likes their fluff over say, normal craftworlds, and their current rules leave much to be desired. That put them in a spot where people didn't enjoy facing them or reading about them.

It's quite possible (IMO) that GW wrote a sort of lazy codex for them that was due to be released sometime last year but realised they actually needed a bit more effort put into the faction. Therefore they're putting this index into WD as a stop-gap before a more thorough codex drops later in the year. Perhaps also coinciding with a new Ynnari kit or two, or barring that, some new CWE/DE kit that they can ally in.

This is all baseless speculation on my part mind you, but I can't imagine GW are happy with how Ynnari are perceived at the moment. Unless of course the faction has more fans than I know about (not counting the meta chasers).


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I’m personally hoping they don’t get fleshed out, the last thing the game needs is more options to strengthen Eldar. Until GW show that they can balance that faction then I don’t want to see any new units for them.
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Definitely excited for this one. I can't wait to see what new tricks I can pull off considering a soulburst nerf is inevitable.


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In a hundred years you'd expect a new culture would develop between these three sections of the formative culture - a ynarri creole or fusion - as that's at least one new generation for the two main ethnic groups, I think. I had hoped for something more inspired, like the new elf and dwarf factions in aos, from the ynarri. Something which shows GW go somewhere really new in design language with any of the aliens. Maybe eventually we'll have that release - but not for now it seems.
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They're a niche army so wouldn't be right to give them a full focus until the other more traditional forces are completed.


Eh, I dunno - they’ve both released and fleshed out other “niche” forces in the meantime. Death Guard, Imperial Knights, Genestraler Cults, etc. They’ve all gotten full Codexes and new models since 8th Ed hit. The Ynnari are at least as important as any of them to the background, representing an enormous shift in Eldar cosmology and society, but there’s been very little actual coverage.

I’m not really put out by it, personally - like anything from Gathering Storm and beyond, the Ynnari are dumb garbage written for the express purpose of providing in-universe justification for a business model. It’s still weird that there’s been near silence on them since 8th’s release, tho.

 

 

I think it's a question of "When" and not "If. The release schedule has been pretty packed ever since The Gathering Storm. Ynaari kind of work as they do now, being an awkward but fluffy Eldar Soup. Based on absolutely nothing, I think we'll see fleshed out Ynaari after Sisters, just because at that point most ranges - save Guard infantry, Grey Knight rules and Craftworld Eldar - are on a pretty decent, if uneven, level of modern and they can start pushing the envelope a bit in terms of introducing new stuff.

 

It wouldn't shock me if they're being saved for a Ynaari vs Emperor's Children boxset, since that seems to be GW's new favourite way of 'previewing' larger releases.


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I’m personally hoping they don’t get fleshed out, the last thing the game needs is more options to strengthen Eldar. Until GW show that they can balance that faction then I don’t want to see any new units for them.

 

As a tournament regular who hates seeing Eldar I wouldn't mind Eldar getting more competitive options. Eldar are top tier but their top tier is so samey that any change would be welcome.

 

Nowadays Eldar soup isn't really Ynnari based, its dark eldar with a few Eldar heroes added but no Ynnari while the Ynnari armies tend to be pure craftworlds plus Yvraine.



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In a hundred years you'd expect a new culture would develop between these three sections of the formative culture - a ynarri creole or fusion - as that's at least one new generation for the two main ethnic groups, I think. I had hoped for something more inspired, like the new elf and dwarf factions in aos, from the ynarri. Something which shows GW go somewhere really new in design language with any of the aliens. Maybe eventually we'll have that release - but not for now it seems.

 

I agree about the forming of a new culture in all that time, but keep in mind that there aren't new Eldar generations. Afaik they're stuck with the people they have and are ultimately doomed to go extinct sooner than later.


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In a hundred years you'd expect a new culture would develop between these three sections of the formative culture - a ynarri creole or fusion - as that's at least one new generation for the two main ethnic groups, I think. I had hoped for something more inspired, like the new elf and dwarf factions in aos, from the ynarri. Something which shows GW go somewhere really new in design language with any of the aliens. Maybe eventually we'll have that release - but not for now it seems.

 
I agree about the forming of a new culture in all that time, but keep in mind that there aren't new Eldar generations. Afaik they're stuck with the people they have and are ultimately doomed to go extinct sooner than later.
They do have kids but it's super rare. Like each birth is considered to basically be a miracle.
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I'm not super informed on Eldar lore, but I was under the impression the Craftworlders have kids rarely and the Dark Eldar have them more frequently. It's still no where near the nine months it take to make a human naturally, but it does happen. Wasn't there an eldar book by Gav Thorpe where none of the characters were alive for the Fall?


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I'm not super informed on Eldar lore, but I was under the impression the Craftworlders have kids rarely and the Dark Eldar have them more frequently. It's still no where near the nine months it take to make a human naturally, but it does happen. Wasn't there an eldar book by Gav Thorpe where none of the characters were alive for the Fall?

 

It's also about how long Eldar take to reach "maturity" and be considered adults.

 

Their children and adolescents need a lot of guiding and mentoring to be able to take on the Paths of Eldar life, so essentially it requires an Eldar couple to spend 100 years on "The Path of the Parent" which as someone 10 years into being a human parent doesn't sound too appealing.

 

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I think if they were to flesh out the Ynnari, they'd do it in a way that also fleshes out the other Eldar.

 

Like, a new Aspect Warrior shrine that focuses on Ynnead. They'd be themed in a Ynnari sort of way but you could use them as regular craftworlders to.

Or a Commoragh death-cult dedicated to Ynnead. Again, the aesthetics would be rooted in Ynnari, but they can also run with Kabals. 


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I'm not super informed on Eldar lore, but I was under the impression the Craftworlders have kids rarely and the Dark Eldar have them more frequently. It's still no where near the nine months it take to make a human naturally, but it does happen. Wasn't there an eldar book by Gav Thorpe where none of the characters were alive for the Fall?

 

It's also about how long Eldar take to reach "maturity" and be considered adults.

 

Their children and adolescents need a lot of guiding and mentoring to be able to take on the Paths of Eldar life, so essentially it requires an Eldar couple to spend 100 years on "The Path of the Parent" which as someone 10 years into being a human parent doesn't sound too appealing.

 

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Well to be honest, if they spent less time whining about past glories and seeking to restore the past and instead move into the future that is now they might realise that spending a millenia or two doing some population rebuilding would be a good idea instead of having not only losses to war but also to temples due to being lost on them. Seriously...they need to get off their windriders and get riding! (or however eldar do it...I mean...not really an explored area of xenobiology...I believe).


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All interesting conversation, but more appropriate to the Aeldari forum (the parent Aeldari forum where the Ynnari are discussed).

 

Let's confine this to news/rumors about the contents of the Index Xenos article that will be arriving in May.


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I notice the Incubi in the background of the picture there, painted in the same red as the Visarch - which is one of the named groups in the Ynnari novels, I forget what.  But both him and Yvraine have some special bodyguards too.  So I wonder if they might get some rules that make them distinct from the rest?

 

Or perhaps if we'll get a list of 'can count as Ynnari in mixed lists' units? 

 

Plus I could see Eldrad, Prince Yriel, and the named Autarch from the novel also being brought into the fold somehow?

 

Finally, I'd note they said somewhere that the Sisters Beta Codex thing isn't going to be the only one, and they'll likely use White Dwarf for future betas... 



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Just got my WD today; Rise of the Ynnari isn't on the reverse. Take it that's from the reverse of the May WD.

 

April WD article on painting Horus Heresy legions is good, though.


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It's quite possible (IMO) that GW wrote a sort of lazy codex for them that was due to be released sometime last year but realised they actually needed a bit more effort put into the faction.
 

 

Ahh yes the Grey Knight approach as it's called in GW I believe. teehee.gif


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Finally, I'd note they said somewhere that the Sisters Beta Codex thing isn't going to be the only one, and they'll likely use White Dwarf for future betas...

This is slightly annoying. Personally I would rather see this stuff rolled up into Chapter approved. Having to carry around numerous issues of WD as well as rules, Codices, campaign suppliments etc gets irritating. 8th edition is less than 2 years old and already the rulebook bloat is getting out of hand.

Maybe its time I went digital.
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Finally, I'd note they said somewhere that the Sisters Beta Codex thing isn't going to be the only one, and they'll likely use White Dwarf for future betas...

This is slightly annoying. Personally I would rather see this stuff rolled up into Chapter approved. Having to carry around numerous issues of WD as well as rules, Codices, campaign suppliments etc gets irritating. 8th edition is less than 2 years old and already the rulebook bloat is getting out of hand.

Maybe its time I went digital.

 

Lol and people said 7th had too much bloat, 8th is just as bad. 

 

Digital is a good idea. 


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Digital is actually the only way to make the incredible mess of 8th ed playable (in practical terms) right now, but then again certainly not the digital GW has adopted so far. I mean free, constantly updated digital codex and *one* ruleset with all faqs, add-ons, clarifications, tweaks, etc. Anyway.

As for Ynnari: I think we all agree they are a tremendously stupid faction lore-wise, and tremendously annoying rule-wise. They should never have been created in the first place, also because they only served to make an already broken faction even more broken and boring to play (with/against). Still, while sadly we won't ever get rid of them now, I am not sure they will stay as they are either.

In fact, in the past GW has already created new factions out of nowhere, or from a couple units first published on WD (Necrons). And one of these newly born factions, despite originally having been met with immense contempt by the community due to having nothing to do with the 40k style, is now accepted as an established and respectable (more or less) faction: Tau. So, who knows what the plans are about the Ynnari. One thing is certain: GW never admits its mistakes, so no way they are removing them from the game as they would deserve.

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As for Ynnari: I think we all agree they are a tremendously stupid faction lore-wise, and tremendously annoying rule-wise. They should never have been created in the first place, also because they only served to make an already broken faction even more broken and boring to play (with/against). Still, while sadly we won't ever get rid of them now, I am not sure they will stay as they are either.
 

 

Speak for yourself, I freaking love the Ynnari from a story standpoint - best move 40k's made in ages, and barely even play them due to not liking to play broken stuff, it's no fun if I'm always crushing my opponents. 


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As for Ynnari: I think we all agree they are a tremendously stupid faction lore-wise, and tremendously annoying rule-wise. They should never have been created in the first place, also because they only served to make an already broken faction even more broken and boring to play (with/against). Still, while sadly we won't ever get rid of them now, I am not sure they will stay as they are either.

Disagree, so you think incorrectly.

And the Ynnari need more written and fleshed out for them, make them worthy of the idea that they are the culmination of a decade or more of story-building by hint for the Eldar. Yes, they need rules tweaks, but they need expansion as well - some unique units and models, possibly even an upgrade sprue to make existing Eldar models have a Ynnari appearance.
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Personally I would rather see this stuff rolled up into Chapter approved.

 

According to GW CA 2019 will have all the Index stuff from WDs.


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Personally I would rather see this stuff rolled up into Chapter approved.

According to GW CA 2019 will have all the Index stuff from WDs.

Exactly, and for those of us who want some of these rules a little bit earlier, like myself with the assassins, we can get the White Dwarf to cover us.

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Personally I would rather see this stuff rolled up into Chapter approved.

 

According to GW CA 2019 will have all the Index stuff from WDs.

 

 

glad of that... as I very infrequently buy WD... although I did pick up the assassins one


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