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Games Workshop - Contrast and Paint?


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Yeah if its a dip I don't see its value really. Its not difficult to use the current GW washes and shades already with a large brush if you are doing the whole thing anyway, plus you have better pooling control with a brush. Even for big stuff, its not hard to use weathering effects and pigments on tanks, Vallejo has great products to use. Buy a cheap Airfx tank and you can practice on that if you are super nervous about using such products.  


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If it is a dip system where you can just go crazy from white it could be good for horde armies. I am interested to see what it will be.

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If it is a dip system where you can just go crazy from white it could be good for horse armies. I am interested to see what it will be.


Don't know how many horse armies there are in 40k . However I feel a bit misled as I think the first preview showed a bunch of knights and larger models, which I kind doubt you would dip.

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Dip is a little bit of a misnomer; yes, you can dunk the model in and then shake it, but it does make a hell of a mess. You can apply it from the tin with a brush just as easily without splattering it everywhere and it gives you more control on pooling to boot.

 

It's not much different than using an oil filter, such as on larger vehicles like tanks, it's just thicker so settles into the crevices better yet still very liquid. Like any wash, it doesn't work so well on vibrant colours on flat surfaces (e.g. space marines), but it works really well on cloth, fur, skin and other organic surfaces - a better effect than you can get with acrylic washes IMO as the gradient from shade to light is superior and has a significantly longer working time, though given it spreads you can't really target it so easily to a specific area. Just like oil washes, you can thin it, and remove it after drying with mineral spirits. With acrylic washes, it's standard to repaint a layer of the base coat to overcome the ugly staining and tide marks; with oil washes or quickshade you don't need to, you can proceed straight to highlighting, and is perfect for a dingier effect.

 

I'm on a blackstone fortress tear at the moment; I've just done some ur-ghuls with glazes over zenithal white, airbrushed metallic gradients on spindle drones - and for the beastmen, they're going to get a layer of quickshade instead of acrylic washes, followed by the usual highlights. I've previously done zombies with it, and they came out fantastic.

 

Like drybrushing, quickshade can help novices to up their standard quickly but can be overused, it's useful for everyone in specific circumstances, and can produce amazing effects in the hands of a master.

 

Hmm. oil washes/filters are superior to acrylic in general in effect - there's a reason they're so popular in historical modelling for weathering - but I can't stand working with mineral spirits regularly due to the smell and disposal. I've heard of water-soluble oils that act like - and are - oils, but can be diluted and cleaned with water. If GW is going to come out with a range of oil washes that are ready-to-use and water miscible, that would definitely grab my attention.


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... they are bringing back the inks to go along side the washes

 

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While it's easy to criticize people for taking the "easy way" with dipping... and I fully believe that anyone can learn to paint well if they take the time to... I think this is good for folks who either don't have the time or have some sort of disability which would otherwise hinder their ability to paint (MS or something to that effect).

That or they play Orks and want to maintain their sanity. In either case, this could be a good thing for the community. Even if it just inspires people to stop playing with unpainted grey models.

It's not about people taking the "easy way". I just found the dipping pots to be horrible and I'm glad they are gone. Too many armies got ruined by those. ^^

 

For a company so hot to jump on IP issues, I hope they got some kind of permission for these last two vids.

Parodies are perfectly fine.


... they are bringing back the inks to go along side the washes

 

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Now that would confuse me since I use the washes exactly the same way I used to use inks back then and thought they are the same thing just under a different name. :D


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... they are bringing back the inks to go along side the washes

 

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Now that would confuse me since I use the washes exactly the same way I used to use inks back then and thought they are the same thing just under a different name. biggrin.png

 

they really arnt :D the old inks were so strong you could do freehand with them and had to dilute them to use them over larger areas nothing like todays washes which as dirty water in comparison to the almighty flesh wash.


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Oh man, I miss my Flesh Wash. I still have Yellow and Dark Angels Green Ink and for the longest time I was being miserly with my last Flesh Wash pot but it eventually dried up :(
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... they are bringing back the inks to go along side the washes

 

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Now that would confuse me since I use the washes exactly the same way I used to use inks back then and thought they are the same thing just under a different name. biggrin.png

 

they really arnt biggrin.png the old inks were so strong you could do freehand with them and had to dilute them to use them over larger areas nothing like todays washes which as dirty water in comparison to the almighty flesh wash.

 

 

To be fair I only used what's today Agrax Earthshade for my skeletons so I might not have noticed how strong it actually is. :P


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Those inks take me back. I remember the good old days of the chaos black undercoat, one layer of blood red, wash of red ink stright with shining gold on the trims/details on the khorne bezerkers I had for my old BL. Good times. Those inks were no joke, I actually miss them a lot. 


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The only one of those old washes I actually miss is the armour wash, possibly the chestnut wash at a push. I found them too glossy to get any useful shading out of them. I've still got some of the older ones and I struggle to find uses for them. I suppose you could thin them and use them like glazes?

 

As long as it's more successful than those pigment pots they released a few years back... I never tried them but I heard they weren't at all useful.


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armour wash was amazing.


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Flesh Wash was the king, although (somewhat related) I discovered a pot of the old Amethyst Purple in my parents' loft not so long back. It'd be nice to see some cool metallics like that again.


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I just hope it isnt a line of pre-painted minis... That is where my mind wandered with the 50 Shelves of Grey video...

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The video makes me think of the dip pots ... please don't let it be that lol

 

This is my guess. GW Branded Quickshade/dip


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It's a multicoloured spray can bottle. One per each unit. Just spray it and all the miniature is perfectly painted.

Edit: I live in the UK and can confirm reports of Duncan sleeping under a bridge after having suffered a mental breakdown so this supports my theory.

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I don’t mind quickshade if people want to use it - not everyone is capable of pro-quality paint jobs, and there’s plenty out there who just want their models to look decent from across the table. Hope there’s something that differentiates this from the million other (and inevitably way cheaper) quickshades out there. Or, hell, maybe they can just re-release the old wash lines, I miss Thrakka Green to this day.

Hoping this is just part of a larger branching out of GW’s paint line, and maybe their hobby supplies altogether. There was a lot of chatter at Adepticon, apparently, about GW reaching out to various people in the painting and hobby community to see what they could do.

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Hope there’s something that differentiates this from the million other (and inevitably way cheaper) quickshades out there

 

Accessibility. Ability to pick some up when you pop into a GW store? 


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I wonder if this is some sort of dip primer or something? Some way to get models primed easily without having to mess with a rattle can or trying to put a smooth coat on with a brush


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Oh man, I miss my Flesh Wash. I still have Yellow and Dark Angels Green Ink and for the longest time I was being miserly with my last Flesh Wash pot but it eventually dried up sad.png

 

I miss the armor wash.  It wasn't just a black wash, it was kind of metallic too.  Secret Weapon makes one but I noticed it's kind of brown and oily rather than just black.


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Seen a few "well dip is fine because not everybody is great at painting etc" type comments. In what sense is dip an improvement for those people vs an all-over coat of Agrax? Serious question.


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Seen a few "well dip is fine because not everybody is great at painting etc" type comments. In what sense is dip an improvement for those people vs an all-over coat of Agrax? Serious question.

 

My guess is that it would be good for people with disabilities that may have a harder time holding a brush or using their hands to create the fine movements that painting requires 


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My guess is that it would be good for people with disabilities that may have a harder time holding a brush or using their hands to create the fine movements that painting requires 

 

Okay, but surely getting a model to the point where it's "dippable" (i.e. base colours on all the appropriate parts) requires a lot more in the way of "fine movements" than an all-over wash does. You've already done the hard part, so it seems like the dip doesn't really save you much at that point.


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My guess is that it would be good for people with disabilities that may have a harder time holding a brush or using their hands to create the fine movements that painting requires 

 

Okay, but surely getting a model to the point where it's "dippable" (i.e. base colours on all the appropriate parts) requires a lot more in the way of "fine movements" than an all-over wash does. You've already done the hard part, so it seems like the dip doesn't really save you much at that point.

 

 

Well, youre comparing dip-shading to basecoating, when you should be comparing recess/pin washing/shading to dip-hading.

 

I have fine motor control, but still smear agrax all over armour surfaces when recess shading. 


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My guess is that it would be good for people with disabilities that may have a harder time holding a brush or using their hands to create the fine movements that painting requires 

 

Okay, but surely getting a model to the point where it's "dippable" (i.e. base colours on all the appropriate parts) requires a lot more in the way of "fine movements" than an all-over wash does. You've already done the hard part, so it seems like the dip doesn't really save you much at that point.

 

 

My thinking was that it was to improve a more rudimentary style of painting, like you spray paint a marine blue then dip in nuln or what have you. Not sure if that is the intention but I can see it being used that way by people who may need a little help


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