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The information I have is that it's going to be a one coat paint, so strange and bizarre. 

 

Oh god, like the model car laquer?

 

 

It was described as you paint a section of Armour, apparently it dries and shades the recesses, whilst the raised section dry lighter. 

 

This sounds odd and strange to me, is that even possible to do with paint?

 

 

The technology is there, the basic principle of the "colorshift" paints that are making the rounds these days is that the pigments react to different wavelengths of light and the angle at which the light hits. Some forms of high end car paint can do the same kind of thing in that the illusion of depth is given in a "matte/gloss" contrast that tricks the eye into thinking there's depth.

Seems like a lot of ramp-up for what sounds like a technical paint, and not a kind of panacea for speed painting. 


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The information I have is that it's going to be a one coat paint, so strange and bizarre.


Oh god, like the model car laquer?

It was described as you paint a section of Armour, apparently it dries and shades the recesses, whilst the raised section dry lighter.

This sounds odd and strange to me, is that even possible to do with paint?

You can largely get a similar effect with thinned down paint and a bit of flow improver. Or at least I can based on this description.

I was hoping for something with the color of the old inks and the flow of a wash so one could apply this to a zenith prime coat in one go.

I’m looking forward to new options.

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That does sound odd but extremely plausible. I like the idea of it being self painting miniatures and with that and Agrax Earthshade and there won't be any excuses for not using a painted army anymore.

 

I could see that being popular amongst tournament players.


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I feel like the announcement is going to be a total swerve that has nothing to do with any of what's been suggested.

 

Like they're going to double-down on the colored plastics that they've been using in the boxed sets recently, so every model will now come pre-colored in a :cussty, muted version of their dominant sub-faction's scheme. 

 

It's not going to be coloured plastics or pre-painted minis; GW have been saying on social media that it's something new to help your backlog.

 

I can't find the specific quote again, but there is this one: "Your 'to paint' pile won't know what hit it."

 

Maybe it's literal crack so we'll paint our plastic faster.


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If it is they will have to introduce dope tests for the Golden Demons next year.


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I've sussed it, it's a hairdryer to speed up all the drying times, that way you get finished faster.

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I can't find the specific quote again, but there is this one: "Your 'to paint' pile won't know what hit it."

 

Probably because you'll wind up spending so much on the stuff, you'll have to sell all your unpainted minis to fund it. yes.gif

 

 

And to avoid driving us off topic:

 

 

 
Vyper, suffice to say I share your opinion.  But that last name starts with a "D", not a "B" teehee.gif

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Warhammer Fest, where they said there would be a "hands on" with the "Contrast" product, isn't until May 11th - I had my timing and reveals confused.
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hmm, some sort of base paint that dries differently depending on how thick it is/how light hits it to act as a one step base-shade-highlight thing could be interesting...

 

though I wonder how well its colors will blend in next to a traditionally shaded and highlighted model, otherwise folks who already have some of their army painted will need to repaint those models(which for those of us who love painting in subassemblies is impossible to redo on our now finished stuff), or just give this system a pass, thus defeating the whole point of its existence.



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I wish they’d release more rattle can versions of base paints. That would be a huge boon to clearing my backlog of unpainted minis. I was initially hopeful that that was what this release was going to be but am almost certain now that it’s not going to be that.
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I wish they’d release more rattle can versions of base paints. That would be a huge boon to clearing my backlog of unpainted minis. I was initially hopeful that that was what this release was going to be but am almost certain now that it’s not going to be that.


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The information I have is that it's going to be a one coat paint, so strange and bizarre.


Oh god, like the model car laquer?

It was described as you paint a section of Armour, apparently it dries and shades the recesses, whilst the raised section dry lighter.

This sounds odd and strange to me, is that even possible to do with paint?

My gods, I need that for my nids!

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I hope it is an airbrush to be honest, if only because then we'll see some airbrush tutorial videos on Warhammer TV.

 

 

Why would you need to wait for airbrush tutorials to show up there? There's thousands of them on youtube. Maybe even tens of thousands. 

 

 

There's a lot to be said about the breadth of content out there, but I personally prefer formats that aren't 4 and a half hours long streams with half the time spent plugging patreon. 



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I've been having a think about the rumour that it's a one-coat colour paint, not least as it's starting to pop up from other sources that are reportedly reliable.

 

It's certainly feasible. A paint that dries darker in the recesses, and lighter on the higher areas? That's pretty much the definition of a wash. This can already be done for a nice effect, with yellow, with multiple thin coats - even a glaze will do this to some extent.

 

Oil-based dip works this way somewhat too, but goes more into the recesses and grades over the existing colour base. 

 

So what you'd need is something with a much higher pigment amount than a a standard Shade paint, more similar to a proper ink to get that coverage. You'd need to get the surface tension just right - so it will gather in recesses to dry darker, but not so much that it pulls away from the rest of the surface. You'd also have to increase the drying time significantly I think, and keep the pigment nicely in suspension throughout the medium as it dries. With standard washes, that's why you get random patterns and tide marks - the edge of a pool dries first, leaving the infamous bath ring of pigment, and not much left in the rest. This is definitely solvable - you get it for free with oil-based paint - but GW must have contracted out some interesting chemistry to get it to work.

 

The two closest examples I can think of currently are 

1) the dear departed modelmates rust effect. This is water based, goes on like a paint, but dries different colours depending upon how thick it is; a thin area is yellowish, a medium coat reddish, right down to thick, flaky red-brown when layered heavily. It's too thick to naturally gather in recesses on its own, but a thinner version would definitely work as a single coat paint - as long as you want it rust coloured!

 

1) hexwraith flame somewhat - and even more so, nighthaunt gloom. These are nearly there for what the rumour says in a single coat, without the blotchiness or tide marks of a normal wash - it's an acrylic, but quite clever. Do nighthaunt gloom which shades a little more in a variety of colours, drybrush to boost the highlights and you have a 2-stage process that will give you a pretty decent effect I reckon.

 

I'm not sure how good such a paint would be on models with a lot of flat surfaces - i.e. space marines - but for anything organic - cloth, skin, hair, leather, I can see it being really quite a time saver. Assuming it is true, It'd be interesting to see if putting it over a black->white zenithal highlighted model helps or hinders the effect!

 

Here's a screenshot of a single heavy coat of nighthaunt gloom, for example:

 

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I've been having a think about the rumour that it's a one-coat colour paint, not least as it's starting to pop up from other sources that are reportedly reliable.

 

It's certainly feasible. A paint that dries darker in the recesses, and lighter on the higher areas? That's pretty much the definition of a wash. This can already be done for a nice effect, with yellow, with multiple thin coats - even a glaze will do this to some extent.

 

Oil-based dip works this way somewhat too, but goes more into the recesses and grades over the existing colour base. 

 

So what you'd need is something with a much higher pigment amount than a a standard Shade paint, more similar to a proper ink to get that coverage. You'd need to get the surface tension just right - so it will gather in recesses to dry darker, but not so much that it pulls away from the rest of the surface. You'd also have to increase the drying time significantly I think, and keep the pigment nicely in suspension throughout the medium as it dries. With standard washes, that's why you get random patterns and tide marks - the edge of a pool dries first, leaving the infamous bath ring of pigment, and not much left in the rest. This is definitely solvable - you get it for free with oil-based paint - but GW must have contracted out some interesting chemistry to get it to work.

 

The two closest examples I can think of currently are 

1) the dear departed modelmates rust effect. This is water based, goes on like a paint, but dries different colours depending upon how thick it is; a thin area is yellowish, a medium coat reddish, right down to thick, flaky red-brown when layered heavily. It's too thick to naturally gather in recesses on its own, but a thinner version would definitely work as a single coat paint - as long as you want it rust coloured!

 

1) hexwraith flame somewhat - and even more so, nighthaunt gloom. These are nearly there for what the rumour says in a single coat, without the blotchiness or tide marks of a normal wash - it's an acrylic, but quite clever. Do nighthaunt gloom which shades a little more in a variety of colours, drybrush to boost the highlights and you have a 2-stage process that will give you a pretty decent effect I reckon.

 

I'm not sure how good such a paint would be on models with a lot of flat surfaces - i.e. space marines - but for anything organic - cloth, skin, hair, leather, I can see it being really quite a time saver. Assuming it is true, It'd be interesting to see if putting it over a black->white zenithal highlighted model helps or hinders the effect!

 

Here's a screenshot of a single heavy coat of nighthaunt gloom, for example:

 

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Is that the blue one?


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Yup.


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Is that the blue one?

Nighthaunt Gloom is the blue/indigo/purplish colored one, yes.

Now that you say that Arkhanist, the bottle at my local shop must be drying a bit, because it definitely doesn’t have the appearance of the bottle on GW.com, but has a more color-gradient as I said above. I always thought it was something wrong with the paint, but if it intentionally dries more like that, it’s very interesting.
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By the Gods if this is true, i will be painting a lot. i love building minis and doing minor conversions but hate painting. I need an easy way out.


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Hmm, this Nighthaunt Gloom business is a bit of a revelation Arkhanist - That could make a much quicker basecoat for my Valhallans.

 

I wouldn't mind a (good) one coat paint product - it'd a huge time-saver on minis wearing lots of cloth (Guard, everything in 'munda etc) if I can just base coat and then edge highlight instead of painting multiple layers and then glazing...

 

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No, that would be too many new hires. + A customer service nightmare
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If we get more paints in the vein of Nighthaunt Gloom / Hexwraith Flame, it's cool. There's no fancy trick to them though, you're supposed to base white and the consistency of the paint makes it flow like a wash but tint like an ink / paint, so white shines through on the thinner layer on raised parts, while the colour is non-transparent in the recesses.






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