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Games Workshop - Contrast and Paint?


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The problem with these paints is that they dry with a rather chalky texture to the touch; or at least thats what Ive noticed in my own uses of them.


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Mine dried fine, and took to a varnish well. I would love if it is a whole range of paints that work like that, cause I hate painting. 



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By the Gods if this is true, i will be painting a lot. i love building minis and doing minor conversions but hate painting. I need an easy way out.

Same.
Luckily my colour scheme allows me to just prime Leadbelcher, pour a wash over it and then just paint some details like helmets, shoulderpads, pouches etc.
I never had this many models painted for an army before. :D
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I really like the blue color of the Nighaunt gloom when done heavily. That’s pretty cool.

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I’m thinking it’s got to be a line of shades that are layered over a white undercoat and have progressing contrast to them; rather than only running into recesses, it actually colors the model and still darkens in the low points. Perhaps each color has a light, medium, and dark tone for progressing stages of the model.

GW must have said “everybody loves washing and it’s easy to do and looks great, let’s expand that line”

I can’t believe they’d do a dip pot, and the little model they showed kind of rules out an airbrush to me for some reason.

I’m looking forward to the reveal for sure.


Not often I get the gist of a rumor right, so I’m gonna go ahead and toot my own horn and not feel bad about it at all!
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Not often I get the gist of a rumor right, so I’m gonna go ahead and toot my own horn and not feel bad about it at all!

 

 

Strictly speaking, we're still at the rumour stage - nothing confirmed in the slightest. But I have to admit, a big expansion of the nighthaunt gloom style - a hybrid of wash and paint - is definitely the most plausible one so far IMO so congrats if it is true!

 

The problem with these paints is that they dry with a rather chalky texture to the touch; or at least thats what Ive noticed in my own uses of them.

 

I have to admit, I've not got any, but kinda tempted to now after looking closer at people using it even if I haven't got any immediate candidates for the colour. Water is a very convenient solvent, but it has its drawbacks; its 'carrying capacity' for pigment, i.e. how much can remain in suspension is relatively low; other high pigment paints ranges do things like add a little alcohol, which has a higher carrying capacity.

 

Chalkiness is basically clumps of pigment improperly dispersed (white is particularly prone to it due to the necessary pigment load to get opacity) So shaking the bejesus out of it first will help somewhat, to get it back into suspension.

 

Adding a little IPA will help break up such chalkiness (due to being a stronger solvent) and go on smoother. It will dry a little faster though, and might react badly with the binder. The other common option is a little flow improver (a surfactant, which is why old school grognards use washing-up liquid instead) - that helps the pigment stay in suspension better, so again breaks up chalkiness. It also reduces surface tension of the water, which will make it more glaze-like so will reduce the shading in crevices a bit - this may or may not be helpful depending what you're trying to do!

 

 

If we get more paints in the vein of Nighthaunt Gloom / Hexwraith Flame, it's cool. There's no fancy trick to them though, you're supposed to base white and the consistency of the paint makes it flow like a wash but tint like an ink / paint, so white shines through on the thinner layer on raised parts, while the colour is non-transparent in the recesses.

 

 

Flowing like a wash but tinting more like a paint without tide marks *is* the tricky bit in an acrylic without additives; and which GW avoids due to (slight) toxicity. Other high pigment ranges do things like more acrylic binder, thus acting more like gels. If the rumour pans out, I will definitely be trying some as GW washes are very good, and I can't think of an equivalent wash-paint from anyone else.

 

 

 


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By now this whole thing has become my excuse for not painting my Primaris YET. (Okay... I am still occupied with converting the whole force a little more and relearning green stuff modeling, but still)

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Contrast it is then.


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This is what, the fourth increasingly absurd tease? They're really confident about this.


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This is what, the fourth increasingly absurd tease? They're really confident about this.

yeah, I mean if the rumor we've been discussing for the last page or so is true, then I'd say the product isn't going to match the hype they've been building, it'll be "Orktober" all over again.



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I don't even mind if the product matches the hype. The videos are hilarious on their own already. :D


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So whatever this is, is being revealed at Warhammer Fest mest weeken, yeah? The question is where? They're doing five separate, hour long Studio Previews, and they're all for each of their game systems, with specialist games lumped into one, no preview for just GW products in general. So I guess they'll reveal it separately then?



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Ducan looking mighty majestic.
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The hair line had me going!

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Duncan's Arnie impression was actually quite good.


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This is what, the fourth increasingly absurd tease? They're really confident about this.

yeah, I mean if the rumor we've been discussing for the last page or so is true, then I'd say the product isn't going to match the hype they've been building, it'll be "Orktober" all over again.

It's not really the same type of hype. Their selling of it is pretty chill 'hey, look at this cool thing! We think you'll enjoy it!' They're just having fun with the presentation.

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I'm still getting a distinct "let down" feeling about all this (see Speed Freaks etc for evidence of muppetry over hype marketing by GW!) Contrast stuff....

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I'm enjoying the ride, if the destination is cool too it will be a plus. Creativity and humour are their own rewards.
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I don't understand how they put so much effort and money into marketing....that ...whatever that it

They're hyping it like some kind of new amazing airbrush but we'll most likely get dipping paints?

Disappointment incoming!

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I don't understand how they put so much effort and money into marketing....that ...whatever that it

They're hyping it like some kind of new amazing airbrush but we'll most likely get dipping paints?

Disappointment incoming!

I can't figure out how you came to the conclusion that A) this is over hyping, and B ) that it was an airbrush, or C) that anybody would or could get hyped about an airbrush.

This is supposed to make things easier. There's no way an airbrush fits here, nor do I even accept that a GW airbrush in a market filled with dozens of airbrush options would be anywhere close to hype worthy. I received an airbrush for Christmas, which in turn began a process that, for a newbie painter, has been nothing if not the most arduous thing to navigate. The gifter didn't even know a compressor was needed, and nor did I. Since receiving it, I've botched 6 models, purchased a variety of attachments and components (the aforementioned compressor, quick release valve, a booth, a hose) all to save a small amount of time when putting down a base colour. The sky is the limit here, but technique is learned through attempts, and not easy to pick up for everybody. An airbrush seems pretty unlikely if the goal is to make things easier.

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An airbrush does make things easier and quickier - after you've bought a bunch of stuff, practised a ton, and figured out the arcane art of balancing nozzle size, pressure, viscosity and distance to get the bleeping thing to lay down a non-spattery coat that's just thick enough to stick but not too much.

 

It is rewarding - the simple things like laying down primer or varnish at my desk when it's wet and dark out, or a zenithal highlight before glazing - but yeah, in no way is it an easily accesible tool for speeding up getting through a loft-full of backlog.


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I think a lot of people forget the origin of the word "hype".  It's short for "hyperbole": exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

 

So if you find yourself disappointed because the hype isn't what you actually get, maybe you need to ask yourself why you're mistaking hype for truth.


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I think a lot of people forget the origin of the word "hype".  It's short for "hyperbole": exaggerated statements or claims not meant to be taken literally.

 

So if you find yourself disappointed because the hype isn't what you actually get, maybe you need to ask yourself why you're mistaking hype for truth.

the roots of a new word doesn't define that new word, as even words that haven't changed their form have changed their meaning(example: "awful" used to mean "awe inspiring"); "hype" in modern use means something more along the lines of "high expectations and excitement" often in reference to advertising for a product of some sort, with no distinction made between false and true advertising.


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Who cares what it is now....It had Duncan as Conan in it... it's got me wub.gif

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Peachy as Morpheus was a treat as well.
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