Stray Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) So the March April spring(?) FAQ is out. Lots to process in it, but of note is this: 'It is possible, through various Warlord Traits and the Rotate Ion Shields Stratagems, for an Imperial or Renegade Knight to boost its invulnerable saving throw to 3+. Considering a Knight is already an exceptionally tough and resilient unit to face, we feel this is too much for most opponents to contend with. To that end, we are making a minor adjustment to the Rotate Ion Shields Stratagem that limits the maximum saving throw afforded from 3+ to 4+' No Knight, regardless of relic or stratagem, can ever now have better than a 4++ save. ...Oh and the Castellan went up by 100 points too Discuss... Edited April 29, 2019 by Stray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Hello! I own a Castellan - it’s now a toy for friendly games lol Stray 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Focslain Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Well personally this doesn't effect me at all. At least in my 2K list that I'd take the castellan in I just swap the crusader with a warden and done. Plus this gives me a nice mid-field unit and I'm liking the warden the more I use it these days. As for rotate, that saves me CP and most likely will save CP for a lot of lists that include the dominus pattern w/ Ion bulwark and FW knights (most have 4++ built in). I can see the castellan being shelved for most games except in full knight lists and with the Rotate change CP being used either elsewhere or just on other knights that still have the 5++. I was hoping that they will drop the cost of the dominus rotate to 2CP seeing as it can only be used for a 4++ now. I was fine on a 3++ being 3CP, 4++... not so much. frosteldar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 I think I’m ok with the 4++ restriction as games where I fielded more than one knight I’d find that if I gave one a 3++ the enemy would simply target a knight that had a 5++ More often the not I was spacing stuff out with 4++ 4++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Makes those FW knights with a 4++ even more valuable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face Edited April 29, 2019 by Clingy Kozz 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face Meaning Cawl can give rerolls? Where was this in the FAQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Well I'm glad I got to run out the castellan once before it became obsolete. The 4++ I think is fair, but they've (GW) missed the mark. The problem is the cp batteries with House Raven, and it's not like a 1750/2000 soup list will struggle to drop 100 points so the problem remains. But for a pure knight list, that's half an admirer or nearly a third of a gallant Stray 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 (edited) Well I'm glad I got to run out the castellan once before it became obsolete. The 4++ I think is fair, but they've (GW) missed the mark. The problem is the cp batteries with House Raven, and it's not like a 1750/2000 soup list will struggle to drop 100 points so the problem remains. But for a pure knight list, that's half an admirer or nearly a third of a gallant People are already talking about adjusting by rolling out either a Porphyrion or a couple of Crusaders in it's place, so we'll just likely see the same old lists with slight adjustments. You're totally right, the issue was always being able to funnel silly CP into a unit that was internally balanced to be CP hungry with little CP available to it. That said, I guess we all knew the louder voices would prevail and get the Castellan put on the naughty step eventually, and all in all, it's not a bad FAQ - a fair number of long standing 'issues' have been finally handled. (I admit I was a little pleased to see assassins capped as they have been for example, tee hee). Edited April 29, 2019 by Stray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hermanista Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Though I'll be honest, now that I'm up to 19 knights in total, a complete household for me, she is intended to be number 19 and the last of them, with lights and smoke generators. For me, it'll be back to the crusaders most likely. Stray, librisrouge and Nusquam 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 At least until the new Acastus Knight comes out right? Twenty is a very nice round number... ;P librisrouge 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face explain??? Overwatch still only hits on a 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stray Posted April 29, 2019 Author Share Posted April 29, 2019 Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face explain??? Overwatch still only hits on a 6... I think Clingy is referring to this: 'Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks? A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.' It's a bit convoluted innit? It just seems to say 'if you have a rule that effects shooting phase actions, it effects overwatch too because that's being called part of the shooting phase, BUT you can't play a 'use during the shooting phase' strat, during overwatch'? I confess I'm not sure how that effects Kastellans... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Well it makes them better in overwatch with 18 shots each that re-roll misses when Cawls about... I just couldnt see where that question is in the FAQs. Which one was it in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 OHHH in which case that kinda makes sense then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shandwen Posted April 29, 2019 Share Posted April 29, 2019 Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face explain??? Overwatch still only hits on a 6... I think Clingy is referring to this: 'Q: When a rule allows a model or unit to take an action (move, shoot, charge, fight or attempt to manifest a psychic power) outside of the normal turn sequence, and that rule explicitly mentions to make that action as if it were a different phase of the turn structure to the current one, e.g. ‘That unit can shoot as if it were the Shooting phase’, do rules that are normally used during that phase (in the example this would be the Shooting phase) take effect? Is the same true of Overwatch attacks? A: With the exception of Stratagems, all rules (e.g. abilities, Warlord Traits, psychic powers etc.) that would apply in a specific phase apply to actions that are taking place ‘as if it were that phase’. However, if a Stratagem specifies that it must be used in a specific phase, then it can only be used in that phase (e.g. you cannot use a Stratagem that says ‘Use this Stratagem in the Shooting phase’ to affect a unit that is Shooting ‘as if it were the Shooting phase’). For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase.' It's a bit convoluted innit? It just seems to say 'if you have a rule that effects shooting phase actions, it effects overwatch too because that's being called part of the shooting phase, BUT you can't play a 'use during the shooting phase' strat, during overwatch'? I confess I'm not sure how that effects Kastellans... This rule was put in to stop out of shooting phase attacks from being able to snipe characters... the odd wording makes more sense with that in mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nusquam Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 The nerf to Rotate Ion Shields is mitigated by Machine Spirit Resurgent and the points increase for the Castellan isn't a true fix; it's a knee jerk panic move. The Raven Wrathstellan is worth the +100 points but any other configuration is shelved now. They needed to nerf the wombo combo of being a Castellan that is Mechanicus, with Order of Companions, and Cawls Wrath. People took Ion Bulwark for the 4++, sure, but unless you fought another castellan or shadowsword 3CP is steep for the +1 when you can just us MSR. Since I run Tarranis I probably won't use my Castellan and instead opt for a Crusader and more Scions. I might even just run a single Shadowsword and two Helverins. It's 54 points more, but also 22 more wounds across three targets... All in all its a slap on the wrists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithonwings Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 stuppid question, in what faq document can I find the castellan point increase? and wile whe are at it, the extra CP you have to deploy to play a single assassin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 stuppid question, in what faq document can I find the castellan point increase? and wile whe are at it, the extra CP you have to deploy to play a single assassin? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/04/29/warhammer-40000-update-april-2019-gw-homepage-post-2/ faithonwings 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faithonwings Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 thanks mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz1858 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 The main points I notice for this FAQ are 1. Cawl giving rerolls on overwatch shots. Pretty huge 2. The change to FLY keyword meaning that screens have to work differently to how they worked before as they can be just flown over 3. Iknights are easier to kill based on a 4++ maximium Does anyone else see anything that should advise our list building from here on in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Does anyone play Kastellan Robots, and enjoy rolling 1-5’s for overwatch Because now For the purposes of this FAQ, Overwatch attacks are also considered to be attacks made as if it were your Shooting phase. /happy face Meaning Cawl can give rerolls? Where was this in the FAQ? Can’t recall but it’s in there and yes he can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Cawl gives rerolls to hit in the shooting phase. New FAQ says when things happen "as if it was the X phase" then all rules apply that normally would. Overwatch is specifically called out as an example of this. Therefore: Cawl gives rerolls in overwatch. Combine with overwatch on 5+ Warlord trait....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clingy Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 (edited) Sadly he’s an Arch Magos of Mars not Agriipinaa so it’s null and void Edited April 30, 2019 by Clingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostglaive Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 So if Cawl now allows rerolls in Overwatch, that'd imply the Dominus allows reroll 1's too, since their aura also states Shooting Phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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