KGatch113 Posted May 9, 2019 Share Posted May 9, 2019 Does the unit need to have all the models within 6 inches of Shrike, or just 1 model?( and a side grumble....why don't company veterans have a jetpack option) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambit Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Just 1 model, same with most aura's unless they specifically state otherwise. duz_ 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Yes, that's assuming you mean the reroll for the charge? As long as one member is within six inches they unit gets the reroll. Same thing for most auras. You just have to look at the rule and see whether it says "unit" or "models". Good Gaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGatch113 Posted May 10, 2019 Author Share Posted May 10, 2019 (edited) I keep looking at my old Vanguard Vet RG army. I wish they were viable. I can make it...maybe...so they have a 70% chance to make the 9 inch charge. Plus Shrike. But...best case scenario all the units get in, IF they survive the close combats, next turn they tended to die. Edited May 10, 2019 by KGatch113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 ( and a side grumble....why don't company veterans have a jetpack option) But yet the Blood Angels do..... ONDIG 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Until the changes to the SftS my VV's were awesome moving into position to almost guarantee a first or second turn charge Pre game scout move isn't anywhere near the same :( But I digress.... yes only need 1 model in range for it The FAQ addresses the differences between within, wholly within and how auras are meant to interact etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It would also make sense if Shrije had a larger aura for the charge reroll .... As is his Warlord trait pretty much works against his Aura ability. It’s like no one bothered to play test the Warlord traits or Chapter tactics and stratagems for the “other” Marine Chapters in the Codex. Ten minutes and you could see the sequence of events is screwy. Things like this that makes me grunt whenever the Big Four complain about their precious apple carts get turned over from time to time. Whew sorry didn’t realize I was feeling that salty about the changes to SftS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 That is a good point though Shrike needs to charge first for anti overwatch which can potentially take one or more units outside of his re roll aura. It would be nice if it was worded like the GK WL trait which is based on the position at the beginning of the phase. Maybe one for the FAQ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGatch113 Posted May 11, 2019 Author Share Posted May 11, 2019 That is a good point though Shrike needs to charge first for anti overwatch which can potentially take one or more units outside of his re roll aura. It would be nice if it was worded like the GK WL trait which is based on the position at the beginning of the phase. Maybe one for the FAQ? Shrike does not need to be your warlord. Take a captain or libby with Raven's Fury and Silent Stalker. Or ally in a smash captain with the relic that denies overwatch with a Company Veteran Squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 This is true from, except from a narrative perspective why would my Chapter Master who's shown up to a battle not be a WL... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 This is true from, except from a narrative perspective why would my Chapter Master who's shown up to a battle not be a WL... Someone needs to read the Raven Guard Heresy books. Again perhaps. Corax very frequently put someone else in charge of a given battle so he'd be free to fight on his own without worrying about giving orders. He was very much a loner on the battlefield, largely because he had a tactical advantage that the majority of his Legion couldn't replicate. For most Chapters you'd be 100% correct in that the Chapter Master would automatically be the Warlord. With the Raven Guard there is a lot of precedent for that not being the case. It also explains why officers in the Raven Guard have so much autonomy and showing initiative is a large component to getting promoted. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracos Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Good info :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Hrmmm yes in some instances but come the pointy end as they headed to terra he took more control Either way its a sad way to justify not having the most senior ranking member being your warlord because the rules are goofy and to best leverage the rules you have to nominate another model to be WL Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ambit Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 You could reduce the charge to a 8" re-rollable if you use a Phobos Lt as your warlord and give him Master of the Vanguard (also gives you a wound re-roll aura if not using Lightning Claws). Having a Phobos Librarian with Temporal Corridor would allow him to keep up with the JP units in subsequent turns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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