Sloeberjong Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I’m hoping for a completely new design of weapon rule. Something original please! Heavy 4, Str 12, Ap-4, D6 damage minimum 3? That would be tasty That's also wishful thinking :D I'd pay premium for that though. They could make it 2D3 damage, I'd still go for it. Gimme 2 of those and one regular AT Repulsor and I'd have my army complete. Looks awesome and might function too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 More likely to be 1-2 shots I think but the rest I could see being possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 I'm thinking I might try out filling it with three flame aggressors to try and dissuade anyone from coming close to take it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) I just bought a Repulsor twin Lascannon on Ebay just in case the new variant can swap the twin Heavy Bolter for one. After looking at the sprue it's clear there isn't a twin Las in the kit. Could be the same case as the Chaos twin Gatling Knight. The option exists and the kit is made but you need to combine two to do it. Edited June 6, 2019 by Ishagu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 If it's not on the sprue, its really not likely going to be an option. Twin gatling chaos knight is a flimsy argument for comparison. The "official rules" for the Knight Warden kit (or Canis Rex kit) is a Knight Warden or Knight Crusader, which can only equip one gatling because that's all there is available in the kit. I wouldn't hold my breath for a "Chaos Repulsor Executioner" that can equip lascannons, either though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Yeah I know, I know. However, Primaris units do have various options not found in the sprue so there's a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 (edited) Yeah I know, I know. However, Primaris units do have various options not found in the sprue so there's a chance. Yeah, there are a variety of Primaris options that are on a sprue even if it isn't the sprue that comes with the unit. I point to Intercessors sarges as an example. Super flimsy argument, of course. Edited June 6, 2019 by Lemondish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 But if it pans out and you wanna run 3 Repulsors with twin Las cannons... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Also not to mention the recent Chaos kits. Chaos Marines who can use the new Chaincannon but there's only one bit for it in the Havoc box, Terminators without enough bitz to equip a whole unit properly and so on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Also not to mention the recent Chaos kits. Chaos Marines who can use the new Chaincannon but there's only one bit for it in the Havoc box, Terminators without enough bitz to equip a whole unit properly and so on. Isn't the chaos marine unit akin to a devestator type unit? One of those doesn't come with 4 of everything its supposed to be able to equip either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 Also not to mention the recent Chaos kits. Chaos Marines who can use the new Chaincannon but there's only one bit for it in the Havoc box, Terminators without enough bitz to equip a whole unit properly and so on. Isn't the chaos marine unit akin to a devestator type unit? One of those doesn't come with 4 of everything its supposed to be able to equip either. The Devastators have at least one of everything. The Chaos Marines are completely lacking any Chaincannon bit just like Crisis Suits don't have any AFP or CIB bit (those only come in the Commander box and only one of each). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 I just thought there might be a chance. No guarantee of course. Sometimes we think we have GW figured out and then something like this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) So I got an Executioner... and looking at the assembly instructions, there's a bit of a contradiction with what the different grenade/rocket launchers actually are representing between the Executioner and the regular Repulsor kits. It's a bloddy mess in fact, and I think it may stem from weapons being mislabeled in possibly BOTH manuals. I assume, at least, everyone would like what weapon representing what would be consistent across both tank designs. I figured this should be at least discussed. Below im listing the different launchers between both kits and what their respective instructions label them as (if at all) Round launcher with with pointed missilies = Icarus rocket pod according to both instructions. Rectangular launcher with 3 rounded grenades = Unspecified in both instructions. Square launcher with 4 rounded grenades = Fragstorm launcher in Repulsor instructions, N/A for Executioner Rectangular launcher with 6 rounded grenades = Fragstorm launcher in Repulsor instructions, N/A for Executioner Rectangular launcher with 6 grenades with concave heads = Autolauncher in Executioner instructions, N/A for Repulsor Rectangular launcher with 8 pointed missiles = Autolauncher in Repulsor instructions, N/A for Executioner Prior to the Executioners release, process of elimination meant that the launchers with 3 grenades were the krakstorm launcers. An odd choice I thought, but all other options were clearly marked as other things in the instructions, so there was no other alternative. That's become a problem now however with the Executioner having the exact same launchers in its kit, but not actually having any krakstorm launchers in the rules. So what does both tanks have in common? Autolaunchers. It'd make sense visually that the small 3 grenade things are the least offensive weapon option. Repulsor can still exchange its autolaunchers for fragstorms, which would be smaller 4 grenade design.The krakstorms, only present on the Repulsor, could then be represented by the larger launcher with pointed missiles (which only comes with the repulsor kit), which again makes the most visual sense for an anti armor weapon out of the ones available. This still creates a problem with the Executioner however as the Autolaunchers and fragstorms have now swapped roles which, while it again makes more visual sense in my opinion, If you take the option of adding an Icarus rocket pod to the Executioner, you'd now be suddenly replacing a fragstorm launcher with it if adding it where the instructions suggest, which contradicts the rules (where you're just adding it, not replacing anything... guess the rules figured 1 autolauncher = 2 autolaunchers, or something). You could of course just add the rocket pod to some other, entirely neutral position, I suppose. Does anyone have a more elegant solution I'm not thinking of? What are your thoughts? The instructions clearly contradict each other, unless they want us to just not consider weapons between the two to be represented by the same things. EDIT: realize this might have been the wrong thread to raise from the dead for this Edited July 7, 2019 by Reinhard Triszin and Ishagu 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Given that frag and krak are just variations of grenade types which are roughly similar in size, I'd say anything labelled as a fragstorm could also be a krakstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 ok... so are you saying the square launchers with 4 grenades on the regular Repulsor should be the krakstorms then? Or are you advocating for more fluid labeling from case to case, or what? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Given that it absolutely doesn't matter where the weapons are mounted in 8th and theyre pretty much all "grenades in a box" I don't think it matters which go where. As long as your opponent knows what your tank is equipped with. Stoic Raptor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Maybe I'm the only one who's this annoyed by this. I guess I just like the idea that my opponent doesn't have to write down or consult a list or commit to memory as to what the different tanks have, but rather that he could just visually tell from what's on the models... which doesn't work too well when two tanks have identical weapons that are different things depending on the tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 (edited) Maybe I'm the only one who's this annoyed by this. I guess I just like the idea that my opponent doesn't have to write down or consult a list or commit to memory as to what the different tanks have, but rather that he could just visually tell from what's on the models... which doesn't work too well when two tanks have identical weapons that are different things depending on the tank.The good news is that your opponent won't need to refer to the instructions to figure out what the tank has since he'll have your army list and data sheet to refer to. But in any case, I think the biggest confusion is the krakstorm. I imagine, especially given the description on the site, that krakstorm was supposed to be in the rules and instead got swapped. Perhaps the new codex will fix this? Edited July 7, 2019 by Lemondish Stoic Raptor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Maybe I'm the only one who's this annoyed by this. I guess I just like the idea that my opponent doesn't have to write down or consult a list or commit to memory as to what the different tanks have, but rather that he could just visually tell from what's on the models... which doesn't work too well when two tanks have identical weapons that are different things depending on the tank. But that means they would have already committed to memory what all the different weapons look like and their stats. That's how looking at a model and knowing what it's weapons are works. And if you know all the stats already, saying " all my repulsors only have X and Y for small arms weapons" will be faster than looking. Stoic Raptor 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Almost done work my conversion, I'll post it in here later today Captain Idaho 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 Maybe I'm the only one who's this annoyed by this. I guess I just like the idea that my opponent doesn't have to write down or consult a list or commit to memory as to what the different tanks have, but rather that he could just visually tell from what's on the models... which doesn't work too well when two tanks have identical weapons that are different things depending on the tank. But that means they would have already committed to memory what all the different weapons look like and their stats. That's how looking at a model and knowing what it's weapons are works. And if you know all the stats already, saying " all my repulsors only have X and Y for small arms weapons" will be faster than looking. Honestly, I don't care what is faster. I like consistency. Yeah, sure this problem isn't making it impossible to use or anything like that, that's not my point. It's perfectly "solvable"... I just don't like the fact they're inconsistent. It's just arbitrary and it bugs me. They're usually very consistent about visual representations of weapons and such, so its weird when it's completely flubbed like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I'm with you, Reinhard! I just want to know the model I've built is technically correct. It matters little but the thought someone might look at my model and say "oh it's firing backwards" is terrifying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 But they do fire backwards... none of the repulsors are made so their weapons can point at the same target or even in the same direction. The executioner literally has a stubber pointed right behind it, so it's always going to be shooting in the wrong direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I think you missed the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted July 7, 2019 Share Posted July 7, 2019 I think you missed mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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