Post FAQ imperial knights

[Clingy]

Oh I just assumed they would, but you raise a very good point.

 

Perhaps I should just buy the Porphyrion

[MajorNese]

I'm at the same point - I intend to buy an Acastus knight as centerpiece. The new one is way better looking, but useless without rules. I'll just wait for the few weeks until it should release, as it would be a shame to buy the wrong one (at the cost and effort required for an Acastus). Considering the event is already over for 2 weeks, and the knight is definitely in production, it will be out for general release in the foreseeable future...

[Nusquam]

I want the new Acastus so bad I can taste it. I've been waiting over a year since it's original tease. Along with the baby Stryx and now there's a baby Atrapos too!? Fingers crossed they do get 40k rules or I'm in for a very sad year.

[Stray]

If it's helpful to anyone making purchasing/saving decisions, we can probably make some fairly educated guesses about how the Acastus Knight Asterius would function in 40K...

 

What we know: 

- It has two pairs of very large Conversion Beamers.

- It has Volkite Culverins as its 'stubbers'.

- It has a carapace weapon that appears to be a mortar of some type.

 

Looking at the other Mechanicum Knights, it's likely to have a 4++ instead of a 5++ - same as the Atrapos, Styrix etc. More than likely it'll also be able to regen a wound or two each turn in much the same vein.

We know how C-Beamers work, probably they won't hit quite as hard as the Porphys lasers, but will end up far more useful against multiple models.

The mortar will likely end up being a slightly enhanced version of the Questorus Missile launcher. A bit of indirect fire support, but nothing too special.

It'll likely be BS 2+, but weaker in the assault phase - just like the Porphyrion. Same toughness and wounds profile too.

 

I'd guess it'll be more points than the Porphyrion (Atrapos is the most expensive Cerastus chassis, Megaera is over costed, Styrix is more reasonable but still pricey - and all have those baked in abilities vs other Knights), which might cost it out of being useful unfortunately - we'll have to see...

 

It really ought to have 40K rules on release - they'd be shooting themselves in the foot if not, but it's happened before...

Edited May 27, 2019 by Stray

[hermanista]

You wont get rules for the new Acastus class or the armiger variants for at least 6 months I reckon.

 

They are Horus Heresy only units until they decide to redo the index books.

 

More examples of FW poor business decisions unfortunately.

[Nusquam]

Is this thread the de facto post FAQ Tactica? Seems to make sense. I tried to search up an official tactic abut it was either non-existant or buried.

 

I'm almost finished with my magnetized questoris. I've been thinking a lot on what to take in place of the Castellan. I'm leaning towards a RFBC Crusader. The RFBC worse than the Avenger and Thermal against  their respective targets, save for T7 3+; but it does bring volume of fire to my list. The Atrapos and Stryx are pretty set in heavy AT. I was able to fit in a Taurox Prim with ACs into the list with the savings. Though the Atrapos is my favorite Knight I think I'll eventually swap him out for a Lancer if I plan to attend events with this list. I can add another Plasma Scion Squad and add more more bodies to a Scion squad.

[faithonwings]

It wasn't set up to be a tactica be could be used as such of course.  It was ment to discuss what options are still viable to use post FAQ and what choices are less or even not competative anymore. 

 

I'm not interly sure the new knight models will be HH only. It will depend on FW's other plans for the near future. If the plan on a new index for 40k knight models in the next comming months, than we would have to wait it out because the will be a thief to their wallets giving free rules wile other have to pay for it. But if they don't have such plan, then from a marketing stand of view it would not make sense not to write some rules for them. Being available for more games equal more potential buyers equals greater proffit.

 

They did this the same way with a lot of custodes options in the form of Beta Rules. My gues would be that they would come with some form of Beta Rules for 40k.

Edited June 7, 2019 by faithonwings

[MajorNese]

The Asterius is out - no 40k rules.

 

All the discussion about what would make sense from a marketing point of view is pointless IMO - there is not much logic to find in FW 40k rules releases. They know we will shower them with money the second they release Mechanicum 40k rules, all comments about the Asterius release ask for 40k rules, yet there is absolutely no hint if/when this might be the case. Considering most local 30k communities imploded with 8th edition, I don't know how they expect significant sales for such a beast.

 

Doesn't matter what would have made sense, or what they might have planned for months/years to come, I won't support them for releasing models without rules. Made the mistake of buying an Ordinatus as they promised everything that had rules would get 8th ed rules, I won't buy this one on the off chance that they might get the hang of their rules department this decade or the next...

Edited June 7, 2019 by MajorNese

[Magos Takatus]

That's a real shame. The Ordinatus Minoris are fantastic looking models (from the photos I've seen). Which one did you purchase? I probably would have purchased a Triaros by now if I'd got more confirmation that they exist in the 40k setting beyond "Cawl has one". It might have made a good ETL vow. I'll have to find something else instead.

 

I don't know what Forge World are up to at the moment but they still seem to be cruising without a rudder to me.

[MajorNese]

That's a real shame. The Ordinatus Minoris are fantastic looking models (from the photos I've seen). Which one did you purchase?

The saggittar (bad pic). Back in the day, everyone had the sonic screwdriver one, so I went with this one instead. Painted it up two weeks before 8th edition, haven't fielded it once.

 

All the mechanicum tanks are gorgeous. Macrocarid and Karacnos are just perfect, the other ones are "merely" great, and I'd have stocked up on those if I were given the chance. But FW does seem a bit unfocused right now - they don't write 8th edition rules (have no idea of it, so GW staff does it), lost a lot of staff to specialist games, and now have few people left to do 30k, which in return has few players left.

 

Locally, out of 20 heresy gamers (including myself), only 3 remain. Playing 30k thereby means facing the same 3 marine armies with the same marine army over and over and over again. So it is out of the question to buy this thing.

[Magos Takatus]

I would personally have picked the Ulator for the model but I understand not wanting to have the same model as everyone else. You have some nice gradients on the armour there.

 

I have had my eye on the Thanatar with the plasma mortar for a while but I'll feel pretty uncomfortable owning a model that isn't "officially" part or my army.

 

We will just have to keep our fingers crossed that the Acastus and the mini-me knights get rules in a timely fashion.

[MajorNese]

I would personally have picked the Ulator for the model but I understand not wanting to have the same model as everyone else. You have some nice gradients on the armour there.

Originally, I had something else planned. With last edition's rules, it would have been rather interchangeable for apocalypse games, and a giant plasma cannon cannot possibly be the wrong choice to bring the light of the omnissiah to a favorable concentration, direction and velocity.

 

And I currently do those gradients for all of my IK and some primaris additions here, which I will get back to once the ETL is over. The Asterius would have been perfect for gradients, with the tiered armour on top and sides, but apparently FW doesn't want my cash.

[faithonwings]

It's so weird, releasing really cool 400+ euro models that no one want's so but because they can't field it. Talking about poor busniss stratagie. I would stock up on their models, that's a company that will go bankrupt in a few month or so.

[Stray]

It's so weird, releasing really cool 400+ euro models that no one want's so but because they can't field it. Talking about poor busniss stratagie. I would stock up on their models, that's a company that will go bankrupt in a few month or so.

 

In fairness to FW, I think rules for everything outside of the specialist games are now handled by one of the GW departments, so on this occasion, while FW will be producing the model and writing the HH rules, they won't have any power to create the 40K rules.

 

Then again, it's still all the same company. With a little bit of communication between departments/divisions, this kind of issue should never crop up. And it's not like when FW DID write the 40K rules, they were ever released in a more sensible fashion...

 

Mind you, plenty of places I've worked have had the exact same issues :/

Edited June 9, 2019 by Stray

[Son of Sacrifice]

It's so weird, releasing really cool 400+ euro models that no one want's so but because they can't field it. Talking about poor busniss stratagie. I would stock up on their models, that's a company that will go bankrupt in a few month or so.

Yeah, I think Forge World are on really thin ice financially!

[Stray]

 

It's so weird, releasing really cool 400+ euro models that no one want's so but because they can't field it. Talking about poor busniss stratagie. I would stock up on their models, that's a company that will go bankrupt in a few month or so.

Yeah, I think Forge World are on really thin ice financially!

 

 

Be nice :/

 

It's not outside the realm of possibility that they are/were in difficulty. While we know GW as a whole are making healthy profits (thanks to the shareholder reports), we know nothing (as far as I'm aware) about how well Forge World do as a subdivision within the larger company.

 

Refocusing solely on specialist games, price rises, model lines ending in large numbers - all of these have happened recently within FW, and indicate reasonably clearly a division that's been directed to become more efficient... That could very well indicate that they had been costing the larger company money in the not too distant past.

 

Speculation aside, Faithons larger point about the bizarre business practice of effectively not making a very expensive model available to the largest audience possible does still stand...

[Nusquam]

I can't imagine it staying out of 40k forever. Even rules for Apocalypse would increase it's viability.

 

That said my Preceptor is done and I'm going to experiment with Helm Dominatus lists. Anyone run a blob of Armigers and a Preceptor? I have two warglaives and two helverins I'm going to try with my Scions.

[Clingy]

It just goes to show how hugely instrumental that chap Alan was to the company. Things definately seemed to unravel after his unfortunate passing.

 

Here is hoping they find their groove and things pick up again

[faithonwings]

 

It's so weird, releasing really cool 400+ euro models that no one want's so but because they can't field it. Talking about poor busniss stratagie. I would stock up on their models, that's a company that will go bankrupt in a few month or so.

Yeah, I think Forge World are on really thin ice financially!

 

I should have said this more specificly. I was revering to the FW department of the organisation. Obviously, GW is doing rather well lattly. And of course I'm exaggerating about this, it was ment to be a exeggerate remark, not completly true but it does make a point. FW has a rather poor busniss strategy, and it is posibble that at some time GW has enough of it and starts firing people, trimming the deparment down of shuts it down completly. 

Edited June 13, 2019 by faithonwings

[Clingy]

So chaos knights, who’s excited?

 

I wonder what juicy goodness will come.

[Stray]

So chaos knights, who’s excited?

 

I wonder what juicy goodness will come.

 

Everything we know so far indicates that we're looking at a 'mirrored' version of Codex: Imperial Knights. Which makes a lot of sense from a balance perspective.

 

I suspect largely that's what we'll get, hopefully along with some interesting and flavourful minutia within the traits and strats for colour.

Historically, Renegade Knights and Imperial Knights have been essentially identical, with the sole exception being that the Renegade Questorus Chassis is a more flexible platform, but one that suffers more readily from the 'law of three'.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Stray

[hermanista]

That might be a reason for the existence now of desecrators/despoilers - dodging the rule of three for armies.

 

So the "gallant" one has ws 2+ so needs it's own datasheet and the other new variant has the las weapon to justify a new sheet

 

Means 9 mid-size chassis knights in an army that way

[Stray]

That might be a reason for the existence now of desecrators/despoilers - dodging the rule of three for armies.

 

So the "gallant" one has ws 2+ so needs it's own datasheet and the other new variant has the las weapon to justify a new sheet

 

Means 9 mid-size chassis knights in an army that way

 

I wondered that too. I'm also starting to suspect that the despoiler (given the las weapon), will the be Renegade mirror of the Preceptor and give some bonus to 'war dogs'.

 

From sprue picture leaks it appears the 'las-thingy' is also the only ranged weapon present, so you may need the standard Knight kits for everything else still.

[Clingy]

@stray

 

It’s here!

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/02/codex-chaos-knights-preview-1-iconoclast-and-infernal-householdsgw-homepage-post-3/

[Stray]

@stray

 

It’s here!

 

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/07/02/codex-chaos-knights-preview-1-iconoclast-and-infernal-householdsgw-homepage-post-3/

 

Hehe, yeah. I've been musing about it in my post here: http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/346945-how-to-commit-vile-tech-heresy-a-tourists-guide-to-xana-ii/page-4