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So after seeing Mort and Shaezus’s success, I decided to try and replicate it with only BA. Let me know what you think!


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [39 PL, 678pts, 2CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Armoury of Baal [-1CP]: 1 additional Relic of Baal

Battle-forged CP [3CP]

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: 2. Artisan of War, Jump Pack, Storm shield, The Angel's Wing (replaces jump pack), Thunder hammer, Warlord

Librarian Dreadnought [9 PL, 142pts]: 1. Quickening, 6. Wings of Sanguinus, Furioso fist, Storm bolter

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 65pts]
. Scout: Heavy bolter
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 65pts]
. Scout: Heavy bolter
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 71pts]
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 71pts]
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Rapier Carrier [4 PL, 85pts]: 2x Space Marine Gunner
. Rapier Carrier: Quad launcher

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [26 PL, 453pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Primaris Lieutenants [5 PL, 74pts]
. Primaris Lieutenant: Master-crafted auto bolt rifle

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [61 PL, 869pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian [7 PL, 122pts]: 2. Unleash Rage, 3. Shield of Sanguinius, Bolt pistol, Force axe, Jump Pack

+ Elites +

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 215pts]: Heavy bolter
. Two lascannons: 2x Lascannon

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 185pts]: Heavy bolter
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Sanguinary Ancient [6 PL, 76pts]: Angelus boltgun, Power fist, Standard of Sacrifice

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 271pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

++ Total: [126 PL, 2CP, 2,000pts] ++

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Looks similar to my list's "core" but I don't like the sicarans here. They have a big fat bullseye over their head and nothing really to draw the enemies anti-tank away, since the libby dread hides to avoid dying, unless your planning on running the Sanguinary Guard up the field with the banner, which *might* work I guess? Seems an awfully expensive distraction carnifex though.

 

You've almost got a brigade there, if you drop the sicarans for something in the heavy slot, which would be interesting.

I'm not sold on the 2nd libby at all, as our buff powers are pretty poor overall, and the libby dread wants quickening and wings. And for me, Sanguinary Guard with the banner don't compare well to DC with Lemartes to use Descent of Angels on, that reroll to charge is so so crucial, but that may be personal bias after getting burned with rolling 3 1's a time or two.

 

Good Stuff: The scout bikes, they are fantastic at killing infantry and tying up stuff you don't want shooting you. Fragile though, especially to that knave overcharged plasma.

Smash captains smash, and I'm a big fan of aggressive libby dreads.

Intercessors make a solid core when buffed with the relic banner, quite crunchy for the price.

 

more quibbles, storm bolters on scout sergeants are good, and with your intercessors I'm assuming holding the midfield stuff, you might look at using blade/pistol scouts instead, for turn 1 disruption.

 

If your wanting to blob up around the banner, Hellblasters would probably do you better than the Sicarans, and you could probably do a Brigade that way.


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I appreciate the feedback! And actually this list was a variation on my brigade list - which is an anvil of 3x5 hell blasters, a banner and a deredeo. What about this?


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [39 PL, 730pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 71pts]
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 71pts]
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun

+ Heavy Support +

Rapier Carrier [4 PL, 85pts]: 2x Space Marine Gunner
. Rapier Carrier: Quad launcher

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [26 PL, 403pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian Dreadnought [9 PL, 142pts]: 1. Quickening, 6. Wings of Sanguinus, Furioso fist, Storm bolter

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 86pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Jump Pack

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 65pts]
. Scout: Heavy bolter
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [69 PL, 866pts] ++

+ HQ +

Lemartes [7 PL, 100pts]

+ Elites +

Death Company [18 PL, 218pts]: Jump Pack
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 185pts]: Heavy bolter
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 185pts]: Heavy bolter
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Vanguard Veteran Squad [16 PL, 178pts]: Jump Pack
. Space Marine Veteran: Power axe, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Power axe, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: 2x Chainsword
. Space Marine Veteran: 2x Chainsword
. Space Marine Veteran: Power sword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Space Marine Veteran: Chainsword, Storm shield
. Veteran Sergeant: Storm shield, Thunder hammer

++ Total: [134 PL, 1,999pts] ++

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I have a similar list.

 

Curious about the Scout bikers - is min squad the way to go?

The_Unseen mentioned lack of resilience, wonder whether slightly bigger squads would help.

 

As for the scout troops, I have also been pondering their loadout, having one squad of combat scouts is appealing.

 

I like the Vanguard Vets - surprised to see power weapons (sword, hammer) on shield bearers though.


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I still don't like those 2 Sicarans.
If I was trying to beat that list, that would be my first target all my anti tank shots would be going toward, but no other unit is really taking advantage of that fact to stay alive.
I think your original list with hellblasters with the banner is probaby better.
However, if you changed some other stuff to get some more armor saturation going, Sicarans are good.

I'd drop the vanguard detatchment and the 2nd smash captain, I find 2 is generally not worth it, and the vanguard veteran squad, and add in your choice of armor.
I'm a fan of relic contemptor dreads myself.

And I haven't found larger scout bike squads better.
They only live when the opponent has other stuff to deal with, but absolutely evaporate under attention thanks to their 4+ armor, but 2 wounds and T5 mean people won't usually bother shooting small arms at them, they'll just point a few overcharged plasma rounds and the unit goes away.
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Ive been thinking about a similar list, utilizing Inceptors instead of hell blaster though, as i personally have had dismal results with them in the past.

 

Blood Angels Briggade - +12CP - 2000 Points

 

HQ

-Lemartes - 100Pts

-Librarian with Jump Pack, Force Sword, Storm Bolter - 122Pts

Relic - Veritus Vite

Powers-Shield of Sanguinius, Unleash Rage

Warlord-Gift of Foresight

-Techmarine, Chainsword, Storm Bolter, Servo Arm - 47Pts

 

Troops

-6x Scout Squad, Combat Knife, Bolt Pistol - 330Pts

 

Fast

-3x Inceptor Squads with Plasma Exterminators - 531Pts

 

Heavy

-3x Predators, Predator Auto Cannon - 390Pts

 

Elite

-Sanguinary Noviate with Jump Pack - 60Pts

-Company Ancient with jump Pack - 72Pts - Relic - Standard of Sacrifice

-15x Death Company, 3x Thunder Hammers, 12x Chainswords, 12x Boltguns


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I still don't like those 2 Sicarans.
If I was trying to beat that list, that would be my first target all my anti tank shots would be going toward, but no other unit is really taking advantage of that fact to stay alive.
I think your original list with hellblasters with the banner is probaby better.
However, if you changed some other stuff to get some more armor saturation going, Sicarans are good.

I'd drop the vanguard detatchment and the 2nd smash captain, I find 2 is generally not worth it, and the vanguard veteran squad, and add in your choice of armor.
I'm a fan of relic contemptor dreads myself.

And I haven't found larger scout bike squads better.
They only live when the opponent has other stuff to deal with, but absolutely evaporate under attention thanks to their 4+ armor, but 2 wounds and T5 mean people won't usually bother shooting small arms at them, they'll just point a few overcharged plasma rounds and the unit goes away.


I’ve been thinking about this as well, in terms of armor saturation, and am doing a rework. I dropped the vanguard detachment and am trying to figure out the fluffiest way of adding it. Am thinking about a leviathan actually. Or a third sicaran lol. This time an arctus or maybe venator. But thanks for the feedback! I’m keeping the brigade list in my back pocket though lol

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Ive been thinking about a similar list, utilizing Inceptors instead of hell blaster though, as i personally have had dismal results with them in the past.

Blood Angels Briggade - +12CP - 2000 Points

HQ
-Lemartes - 100Pts
-Librarian with Jump Pack, Force Sword, Storm Bolter - 122Pts
Relic - Veritus Vite
Powers-Shield of Sanguinius, Unleash Rage
Warlord-Gift of Foresight
-Techmarine, Chainsword, Storm Bolter, Servo Arm - 47Pts

Troops
-6x Scout Squad, Combat Knife, Bolt Pistol - 330Pts

Fast
-3x Inceptor Squads with Plasma Exterminators - 531Pts

Heavy
-3x Predators, Predator Auto Cannon - 390Pts

Elite
-Sanguinary Noviate with Jump Pack - 60Pts
-Company Ancient with jump Pack - 72Pts - Relic - Standard of Sacrifice
-15x Death Company, 3x Thunder Hammers, 12x Chainswords, 12x Boltguns


There are a lot of non-optimized choices here. The Novitiate and powers on the Libby for example. I’d recommend changing that out - otherwise, not bad ideas for armor saturation and jump pack pressure

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Novitiate isnt half bad with the DC i think. Im doubting the techmarine and predators more, in the same way im doubting sicarans. With castellans still around they wound survive past round 1 probably, which kinda makes them an extensive pointsink imo. Levi is fun, and has less problems because of its invuln save. Contemptor mortis for the same reason.

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Here’s one of three lists I’ve come up with -


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [96 PL, 1,207pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Chaplain [6 PL, 90pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Pack

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

+ Elites +

Death Company [18 PL, 218pts]: Jump Pack
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 165pts]: Heavy bolter

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 165pts]: Heavy bolter

Sanguinary Ancient [6 PL, 76pts]: Angelus boltgun, Power fist

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 204pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [49 PL, 793pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian Dreadnought [9 PL, 142pts]: Furioso fist, Storm bolter

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 86pts]: Bolt pistol, Chainsword, Jump Pack

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 155pts]: Heavy onslaught gatling cannon, Onslaught gatling cannon
. Two storm bolters: 2x Storm bolter

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 155pts]: Heavy onslaught gatling cannon, Onslaught gatling cannon
. Two storm bolters: 2x Storm bolter

++ Total: [145 PL, 2,000pts] ++

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Find the points to upgrade the chaplain to Lemartes (reroll charges with dc is ace, and he's better than a regular chaplain as well) , and give that sanguinary priest a power sword, he's got 3 attacks hitting on 2s, it's saved my butt a few games.

Looks good, lot of 2 wound infantry and armor for saturation, plenty of anti infantry shooting.
Ltitle light on ranged anti tank, but plenty of it in melee, which is workable.
I like it.

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I would love to have lemartes - but I don’t have points to move around lol. It is either Lemmy and an LT or a chaplain and a priest. I feel like the priest adds more to the sang guard than an LT would to my shooting. Thoughts?

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Dropping a SG would work. Dropping all the SG for a 15 man DC with lemartes could work as well. Im not sure, im always torn between those 2 units, and i always want to run em with the sanguinor. Hes just such a force multiplier. Impossible to fit in here i'm afraid haha

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I really feel like I’m already at the minimum effective unit size for them, so I don’t wanna drop a body. Hence where I’m at lol
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Fair haha. I really understand what you mean, we have too many toys!

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I find 8 DC has been sufficient if their coming out of reserve, which lemartes near guarantees works with the full reroll.
dropping to 9 or even 8 would let you throw some upgrades around, like storm bolters on your scout sarges, and a power weapon for your priest.
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Slight changes -

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [98 PL, 1,202pts] ++

+ HQ +

Astorath [8 PL, 105pts]

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

+ Elites +

Death Company [18 PL, 198pts]: Jump Pack
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Power fist
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 165pts]: Heavy bolter

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 165pts]: Heavy bolter

Sanguinary Ancient [6 PL, 76pts]: Angelus boltgun, Power fist

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 204pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [49 PL, 798pts] ++

+ HQ +

Librarian Dreadnought [9 PL, 142pts]: 1. Quickening, 6. Wings of Sanguinus, Furioso fist, Storm bolter

Sanguinary Priest [5 PL, 91pts]: Chainsword, Jump Pack, Plasma pistol

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Elites +

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 155pts]: Heavy onslaught gatling cannon, Onslaught gatling cannon
. Two storm bolters: 2x Storm bolter

Redemptor Dreadnought [10 PL, 155pts]: Heavy onslaught gatling cannon, Onslaught gatling cannon
. Two storm bolters: 2x Storm bolter

++ Total: [147 PL, 2,000pts] ++

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