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Road to East China Open - Sept 2019


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I'm finding that or 110 points a Twin-HB/Twin-Auto (6xS5,4xS7) dread is very, very good for fire support. 

 

I feel like at that point I'd rather take Suppressors to be honest. For 105p you get 6 S7 AP-2 shots at 48" range. A Dread with HBs pretty much alway in range of every anti tank your opponent has and often has to move so it hits only on 4s and with Autocannons it has less damage output but is more durable for whatever might be in range to actually shoot at it. Though Suppressors are infantry so gain easily cover in ruins for a 2+ save which is not to be underestimated either.

Of course at that point it also depends on the rest of your list. If you have enough other armour you might want to go with the Dread to provide more target saturation and if you don't have much other armour you probably don't want to give your opponents anti-tank an easy target by taking just a Dread.


Edited by sfPanzer, 14 June 2019 - 04:56 AM.

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So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

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Currently looking at 2* auto/bolter and 2* quad bolter dreads and a hbss sicaran as fire support
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Didn't realise the suppressor auto is -2. May swing for one unit
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Here is what I am playtesting next mort, based on your meph ideas and how much I liked the sicarans (and to some extent, suppressors) and disliked the VanVets -


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [36 PL, 679pts] ++

+ HQ +

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

Captain [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Pack, Storm shield, Thunder hammer

+ Troops +

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

Intercessor Squad [5 PL, 85pts]: Auxiliary grenade launcher, Bolt rifle, 4x Intercessor, Intercessor Sergeant

+ Fast Attack +

Scout Bike Squad [4 PL, 71pts]
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker: Twin boltgun
. Scout Biker Sergeant: Storm bolter, Twin boltgun

Suppressor Squad [5 PL, 105pts]
. 2x Suppressor: 2x Accelerator autocannon, 2x Grav-chute
. Suppressor Sergeant: Accelerator autocannon, Grav-chute

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [29 PL, 467pts] ++

+ HQ +

Chief Librarian Mephiston [8 PL, 160pts]: 1. Quickening, 2. Unleash Rage, 6. Wings of Sanguinus

Librarian Dreadnought [9 PL, 142pts]: 1. Quickening, 6. Wings of Sanguinus, Furioso fist, Storm bolter

+ Troops +

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Combat knife
. Scout: Combat knife
. Scout: Combat knife
. Scout: Combat knife
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Combat knife

Scout Squad [4 PL, 55pts]
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout: Boltgun
. Scout Sergeant: Bolt pistol, Boltgun

++ Vanguard Detachment +1CP (Imperium - Blood Angels) [73 PL, 854pts] ++

+ HQ +

Lemartes [7 PL, 100pts]

+ Elites +

Death Company [18 PL, 200pts]: Jump Pack
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
. Death Company Marine: Boltgun, Chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword
. Death Company Marine
. . Bolt pistol and chainsword

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 185pts]: Heavy bolter
. Two heavy bolters: 2x Heavy bolter

Relic Sicaran Battle Tank [14 PL, 165pts]: Heavy bolter

Sanguinary Guard [20 PL, 204pts]
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Power fist
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword
. Sanguinary Guard: Angelus boltgun, Encarmine sword

Edited by keeblerartillery, 14 June 2019 - 03:59 PM.

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Didn't realise the suppressor auto is -2. May swing for one unit


I’m waiting until you take larger squads.

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I would consider a few fists on the DC. Points are tight in your build and the only place I can see you getting them is if you swap out the third detachment and lose a captain instead of lemmy.
This will free up some points for 2 more SG too and maybe more HBSS on the other sicaran.

Edited by Morticon, 15 June 2019 - 01:34 AM.

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Hm. Good points. I suppose 1 CP won’t make all that much difference. I liked 2 CPT slams but I think I’ll like the fire support more

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I think the 2 extra fist SG and then the 4 or so fists from D.C. Will make up for it!
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You can actually do 3 SG with fists and 3 DC fists with 124 points. Pretty solid!!
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Gamist, cheesy, beardy or broken; If Games Workshop put it in the book I'll gladly play against it, or with it. - Mort
"Use soft words and hard arguments." (Henry George Bohn [1796-1884].)

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"OP: The term used by players to describe a combination of yours they are personally unable to beat"

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I added 3 fists to the dc, 2 sang guard (3 of 8 now have fists), a HB to one of my scout squads and sponsons for my sicaran. Great suggestions mort! Looking forward to what you come up with. This means I’ll likely be starting my sang guard on the table. It’s going to be all about positioning now to see if I can get rage on them from mephy if I wings them first turn with slam and Libby dread. But I definitely feel more comfortable with my shooting elements now

Edited by keeblerartillery, 15 June 2019 - 11:12 AM.

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Mort - something else I was considering were redemptors - solid midfield fire support for a fairly reasonable price. I was considering dropping the second assault element completely, doubling down on either death company or sang guard as my primary assault force, and really focusing on a durable, mobile fire support element of sicarans and a redemptor or two. Thoughts?

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Mort - something else I was considering were redemptors - solid midfield fire support for a fairly reasonable price. I was considering dropping the second assault element completely, doubling down on either death company or sang guard as my primary assault force, and really focusing on a durable, mobile fire support element of sicarans and a redemptor or two. Thoughts?

 

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Hey Mort,

I know you're really liking the scout bikers.

Have you looked at combining them alongside some melta/plasma bikers? 140ish points for 10 wounds and 2 melta guns isn't terrible. I've found myself starting to write lists with two, five man squads in an outsider detachment alongside a squad of 3 land speeders with double flamer.

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DBH- interesting you've mentioned it, because yes, I have. A lot of lists I've been designing have actually has three plasma guns in the 5 man biker squad. Really want to check it out
Gamist, cheesy, beardy or broken; If Games Workshop put it in the book I'll gladly play against it, or with it. - Mort
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"OP: The term used by players to describe a combination of yours they are personally unable to beat"

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DBH- interesting you've mentioned it, because yes, I have. A lot of lists I've been designing have actually has three plasma guns in the 5 man biker squad. Really want to check it out


That's cool. Just brainstorming, but they gel perfectly with the biker priest. To replenish wounds, as well as speed and movement. They are basically better ASM.

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As someone who uses grav-bikers somewhat regularly, they get focused HARD :(


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