Zephaniah Adriyen Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 How come half of the Bolt Pistol vanishes when it's holstered? BrotherAtrox 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I can't help but feel that the holstered one is more of a 'sidearm' than the other Bolt Pistols are. That is, to say, the ones we see held out are a pattern that is more used as a main weapon in conjunction with a melee weapon, while the holstered one is a smaller pattern to be there as an emergency back-up weapon in case the main one is unable to be used. Don't know, really, but that's my interpretation of it. Trevak Dal, Kierdale, BitsHammer and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Alternatively they change size when holstered because they're all secretly Megatron. Zephaniah Adriyen, Chaplain Mollusc, Bryan Blaire and 9 others 12 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grailkeeper Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Who says the holstered one is a bolt pistol? In the old rules a holstered pistol could be any type of pistol and still be wysiwyg. Panzer, Oxydo, BitsHammer and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBadger Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 GW is some form of heroic scale, where heads and weapons are a different scale to the rest of the body. I guess when holstered the gun goes in a different place on the body so loses that scale. Stlll don't know where the mag goes though. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 There is no issues with the holstered pistols on the Mk III kit. The mag is accounted for by the holster it looks right. BitsHammer 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 You know, if holstered/not present but required on model is WYSIWYG regardless of what sidearm you pick, that's a pretty big deal in and of itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Sidearms are never required for WYSIWYG unless the model doesn't use it as sidearm and instead as main weapon. Aka you don't need to represent bolt pistols on regular Bolter Marines at all because their main weapon is the Bolter, but you have to represent bolt pistols on Marines who use bolt pistol + chainsword or two bolt pistols etc. Dracos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 I have the chainswords and holstered bolt pistols on my mk III chosen with bolters. It actually looks really good, the issue is with the old kit holsters. I believe the Mk IV kit has good holsters, maybe also the Primaris holsters as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 Then and again, some wargear rules can technically... in a way... make sense with some creative imagination. Bolter marine supposedly having a bolt pistol? Well, he's just simply shooting his bolter at close range, 'cause they can do that 'realistically' speaking. My own personal favourite is halberds doubling as both power spears and power axes because WYSIWYG is still, in a way, followed.... and it looks good, too. Maybe not ideal for actual gameplay, but eh. Aarik 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted June 5, 2019 Author Share Posted June 5, 2019 Librarian with force axe and hand flamer, modeled with a book in the hand that would be a flamer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haywire Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 If the book was on fire, I'd say sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subtle Discord Posted June 5, 2019 Share Posted June 5, 2019 The simple answer that I've seen over the years and it was eluded to already in the thread; sidearm Bolt Pistols are a slimmer more compact pattern that has less ammunition capacity and a different profile/silhouette. Seems quite reasonable to me. Contemporary handguns come in a wide range of sizes from tiny and discrete to massive handheld cannons. SickSix 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 There is no issues with the holstered pistols on the Mk III kit. The mag is accounted for by the holster it looks right. The Mk III sprue has holstered bolt pistols with and without magazines which would seem to imply that most holstered bolt pistols aren't loaded. BitsHammer, Panzer and Stoic Raptor 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoczan42 Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I've always assumed they just don't carry loaded side arms with them. Given the relative "vigor" with which marines move (smashing through cover, walls, bounding across gaps), I just run with the idea that they don't bother to load their weapons until they are in their hands, as accidental discharges could be problematic for them. I know something as simple as a safety on their firearm could solve that (and bolters/bolt pistols do have them in fluff), maybe they have weapons discipline so drilled into their heads that they want zero possibility of an accident. Just guessing/trying to fluff justify why they wouldn't carry their sidearms loaded. BitsHammer, Stoic Raptor and Endova 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Shooting yourself into the foot with a Bolter shell by accident would be pretty embarrasing for the angels of death. :D Sergeant Centurion, Kierdale and SickSix 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Takatus Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Shooting yourself into the foot with a Bolter shell by accident would be pretty embarrasing for the angels of death. With a space marine the roar of pain could easily be mistaken for a blood-curdling battle cry, it's the hopping on one leg that would make him look ridiculous. :p Kierdale, Chaplain Mollusc, Dosjetka and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMDR_Welles Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 The Imperium use TARDIS technology. It's how they can fit 10 Marines into a Rhino, among other things. SickSix, point_Zer0 and Zephaniah Adriyen 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Reinhard Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 I would argue that the simple answer is that GW has never chosen to be consistent on this detail (with the exception holstered pistols the mk3's have?). My guess is they simply thought the holstered pistols "didn't look right" unless it had more traditional proportions. So, rarely room for the big lump at the back, rarely space for magazine, rarely thicc enough. So yeah, the holstered pistols have rarely looked anything like the pistols they wield. I don't think there's lore reasons for this, more that it's an issue that's been largely ignored. Zephaniah Adriyen and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted June 6, 2019 Share Posted June 6, 2019 Also note that the "new" Bolt Pistol design as sported by Primaris Marines are a lot more in keeping with that original holster silhouette, with smaller magazines etc. Nocturne Noble 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Mollusc Posted June 7, 2019 Share Posted June 7, 2019 So yeah, the holstered pistols have rarely looked anything like the pistols they wield. I don't think there's lore reasons for this, more that it's an issue that's been largely ignored. Spoilsport! Gotta say, carrying an unloaded pistol seems foolish, especially if it's a backup or holdout gun: when you need that gun you need it now, not a couple seconds from now when you finish loading. Iron Father Ferrum 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claws and Effect Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 Pretty simple, actually. There are up to 5 pistol options depending on your Chapter. The holstered pistols are designed in such a way that it could represent any one of them. If they were modeled to obviously be a bolt pistol then you couldn't WYSIWYG it as anything else. My biker Captain has one at his waist. It is either a bolt pistol or plasma pistol depending on whether I have 7 points to spare. BLACK BLŒ FLY, Oxydo and Panzer 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendingon1+ Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 (edited) No lore reason, it's just consequence of a generla scale problem or rather lackof "internal" scale in marines models (any). I wouldn't look much into it and would never try to justify it because it cannot be justifed. Besides, bolt pistols on models are just ridiculously gigantic - as long as marines thigh and almost as wide Generally marine models are one of the worst designs ever when it comes to proportions and weapon size. Primaris too unfortunately. Pity that GW with all their resources just won't do astartes justice. Edited June 9, 2019 by rendingon1+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beams Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 No lore reason, it's just consequence of a generla scale problem or rather lackof "internal" scale in marines models (any). I wouldn't look much into it and would never try to justify it because it cannot be justifed. Besides, bolt pistols on models are just ridiculously gigantic - as long as marines thigh and almost as wide Generally marine models are one of the worst designs ever when it comes to proportions and weapon size. Primaris too unfortunately. Pity that GW with all their resources just won't do astartes justice. It's in heroic scale -- when someone's using a weapon, it's supposed to be big and intimidating and a focus. When it's sheathed, it's not the focus, so it doesn't get exaggerated. Panzer, D3L and DBadger 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 The scale of some guns is hilarious. I've got a combi-melta which is bigger then the marines torso and legs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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