Cpt_Reaper Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Massively hyped for this. The Blood Ravens were for me, like many, my introduction to the warhammer 40k universe. I would love to paint up a Blood Ravens force one day. Dark Shepherd and templargdt 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 +1 to the Blood Ravens nostalgia hype train! I just hope the article isn't just their old story + two pages of Guilliman throwing them hordes of Primaris at a convenient time like 90% of the other Dark Imperium era lore I've read. Kite Senet, templargdt and Bryan Blaire 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I'm really hoping for Chapter tactics, six strats, 3 relics, and an update to the Angelos model. It's analgous to what the Fists got.Now I just need a Black Templars IA article with some serious buffs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadlight Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Strong hint about it in one of the Heresy short stories, a member of the thousand sons who remains a loyalist after the heresy ends up hanging around with the white scars for a while. From recollection, was a member of the Corvidae sect whose emblem is almost identical to the BR. Can only remember generalisations, so feel free to correct me if I’ve got stuff wrong guys! Plus the fact the fleet Magnus sends away (and we haven’t heard from again) was mostly Corvidae sect. Fleet based chapter with lots of Librarians? Check! Wonder how they beat the flesh change and/or Rubic DM The thousands mass mutation that led to the rubric occured in the eye od terror. So the thousand sons magnus sent away did not go into the eye and hence were not affected. Thats how it works in my head anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Not impressed by BR IA I would like other chapters instead But it's Always good to have more IA articles ShibeKing and Zebulon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Neat! May have a decent excuse to run some Loyalist 30k sons as Blood Ravens for fun once these rules hit. Anyone think that a Prescience like rule from the Scourged will make an appearance? (total conjecture on my part) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lemondish Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 I'm really glad they aren't rehashing chapters from the codex. And I'm extremely excited it's Blood Ravens next! They were my first Primaris Chapter before I stepped into the crimson fists recently. Might have to start building that one up a bit more. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandion40 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Strong hint about it in one of the Heresy short stories, a member of the thousand sons who remains a loyalist after the heresy ends up hanging around with the white scars for a while. From recollection, was a member of the Corvidae sect whose emblem is almost identical to the BR. Can only remember generalisations, so feel free to correct me if I’ve got stuff wrong guys! Plus the fact the fleet Magnus sends away (and we haven’t heard from again) was mostly Corvidae sect. Fleet based chapter with lots of Librarians? Check! Wonder how they beat the flesh change and/or Rubic DM Not sure on the flesh change but I’ve a theory about the Rubic, lots of warp rituals are full of symbolism so depending on what the words spoken on the ritual were, a simple name and armour change could be enough to shield them, as technically their no longer thousand sons their Blood Ravens, specific oaths sworn severing their loyalty to Magnus and their past as thousand sons as well as re-dedicating their total loyalty to the Emperor could in my mind shield them even more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds Of Fury Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Nice. I still have two of the FW Blood Ravens transfer sheets. If the article is any good I might get use of them. Dark_Master 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 The Blood Ravens are the most well known Chapter in the world. More people know about Blood Ravens than have ever played 40k table top. It makes perfect sense. How many copies of IA 9-10 do you really believe were sold? To claim any "Forge World Chapter" to be more famous than the BR is ridiculous. I am excited to see any chapter outside the big 4 get love. And I hope the have great rules. Gederas, Dark Shepherd, Magos Valkamar and 10 others 13 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preliminary Bombardment Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 For some reason I feel like playing the two dawn of war games again. That's right, there are Only. Two. Panzer, templargdt, Kite Senet and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) For some reason I feel like playing the two dawn of war games again. That's right, there are Only. Two. Nonono, Brother, there were technically 3, because Dawn of War 2: Retribution was a standalone that didn't need the base game and had so much content with its different factions and stories, that it was for all intents and purposes, a sequel in and of itself rather than an expansion DLC. And, of course, there were no further games after Retribution, NO MORE, it ended on a high note. I actually have a question, mainly for our Fraters in the UK and the US: White Dwarf is still sold in normal bookstores and magazine shops, ya? I ask mainly due to so many changes in White Dwarfs AND retail shops, especially bookstores in the age of Amazon, I'm no longer sure. It's a little bit relevant to this issue (i.e. both the topic and the upcoming magazine installment), and relates to what you guys said about Blood Ravens being well-known outside The Hobby, what with them being from the Dawn of War video games. It's to do with what people call the customer journey or the customer experience map. The idea is how we, as customers, don't simply look at something and decide to buy it in this age of modern media. Instead, we might notice something on our YouTube or social media feed, glance over it, then hear a friend mention it, then see it covered in a magazine, then actually pay attention and seek it out. A number of changes in The Hobby make Blood Ravens a pretty good choice right now and I'll just map a hypothetical customer's journey: > Be a video game/real-time strategy player > Played or heard of Dawn of War I and II > Forgot about Warhammer 40,000 > Go to a bookstore during the summer, it's hot, enjoy the air conditioning > Notice a magazine with Dawn of War II on the cover, it's after E3 > Flip through it, might not even buy it, just get awareness of the tabletop game > Might look for a Warhammer Store (maybe newly opened) or a FLGS out of curiosity > Never thought he could paint a mini, notice new Contrast paints make it easy > Becomes One of Us Basically, White Dwarf is one of those things that long had the Infiltrator ability, by entering bookstores and magazine shops to expose people to The Hobby. It's special in that it appeals to existing players and potential players (i.e. they're not playing Warhammer...but have always been a little curious) alike. Any time after 8th ed was a pretty good time to get into 40k imho (if not the base game, then via Kill Team, Space Marine Adventures, etc.), but Contrast in particular might be what tips someone sitting on the fence over. Thus, I agree with the Blood Ravens timing; if they're going to do it at all, this is a really good time. And it's not just 1 thing. It's not just Dawn of War or Contrast. It's a bunch of nudges (I swear some dude won a Nobel Prize for studying how these nudges work) that accumulate to push someone into the pool. And this is the ideal time for something like Blood Ravens. I'd like to see more Index Astartes for the other Chapters, too. I'm pretty convinced we'll get some sort of Primaris upgrade kits and I think we'll get some new rules just to give them a push. I thought it'd be in the form of Indices Astartes, but it might be an updated Codex like for Chaos Space Marines, I dunno. Edited June 20, 2019 by N1SB Bryan Blaire 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 I’m pretty excited. The dawn of war games were my first introduction to 40k. Initially I was kinda confused as to why they didn’t have any rules from GW. I do think this came a little late though considering how big dawn of war 1 was and now how the dawn of war franchise hasn’t reached that same hype level since the original. Oh well better late than never! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 If the IA/cover attracts someone from DoW to buy the magazine, the IA will quickly move a reader from “Oh, those red raven guys must be the same as those blood drop guys, or are related to them” to “Oh, these guys don’t have anything to do with each other, and they have some of their own unique stuff too!” in a read-through or two - that’s pretty much the point of an IA, distinguishing the Chapter from other Chapters. The idea of confusion is not a line of argument against the IA being done, it’s actually an argument for it being done, and if it allows some of those DoW players to move over to the table top, then it has already done one of its jobs. ThatOneMarshal, Panzer, Chaplain Mollusc and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Blood Ravens are the chapter in the magazine. Not sure I see the value in arguing which other chapters "should" have been there, instead. Felix Antipodes, Chaplain Mollusc, BLACK BLΠFLY and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h0U5e Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 New marine content is welcome. Looking forward to seeing what is added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrox Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So WD is out today - can anyone confirm of the leaked image is there for the 'Next Month' bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 So WD is out today - can anyone confirm of the leaked image is there for the 'Next Month' bit?The rumor was confirmed when this month's issue was available last Saturday. I was wrong, it is indeed not a fake: Edit: Better image https://spruesandbrewsblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/06/img_0027.jpg?w=878 Cyrox 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 I've just gone through and removed all of the bickering posts - the Blood Ravens are going to be covered in the July WD IA article. Get over it. I also split the posts about "Forge World Chapters" possibly getting IA articles in the future, and merged those posts with this topic in the Adeptus Astartes forum (where we discuss who we'd like to see covered in such articles). As before, this topic is about the upcoming article about the Blood Ravens. Replies that aren't about that will be removed. BLACK BLΠFLY, N1SB, Khornestar and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Any rumors floating around about what the IA is going to contain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Any rumors floating around about what the IA is going to contain? Nothing is known. I think it would be neat if they play up the blood Ravens stealing things, via a atrategem to steal cp from your opponent N1SB and Dracos 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Nah, the stratagem should allow drop pods to come in within the standard range and turn limit; allowing for multiple simultaneous and devastating deep strikes using Drop Pods. Stratagem: Steel Rain Son of Carnelian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Nah, the stratagem should allow drop pods to come in within the standard range and turn limit; allowing for multiple simultaneous and devastating deep strikes using Drop Pods. Stratagem: Steel Rain If they get the only viable drop pods I’ll flippin riot. Triszin and Stoic Raptor 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1SB Posted June 22, 2019 Share Posted June 22, 2019 Any rumors floating around about what the IA is going to contain? Nothing is known. I think it would be neat if they play up the blood Ravens stealing things, via a atrategem to steal cp from your opponent I was going to joke about this, how their Relics section will be copypasta'd from everyone else's Relics section Stoic Raptor and Triszin 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halandaar Posted June 23, 2019 Share Posted June 23, 2019 Can we please stop using this "Blood Magpies" meme as the basis for how the tabletop faction will work? It was a loot system in a video game guys. Not a canonical treatise on how the Blood Ravens steal everything that isn't bolted down. TrawlingCleaner, Panzer, Fire Golem and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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