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So this is my first time posting an army list to the forum, but I’m planning on attending the LVO for the first time and wanted some feedback on an idea I have for dealing with competitive lists.

The idea is two baskets for my eggs. The stormwolves count as both my transports and my shooty. The two packs of wulfen count as my choppy. It’s relatively simple: I pray for first turn, and then both fliers zoom forward and unload the wulfen and characters. The rune priest casts “Tempest’s wrath” on any enemy shootys popping cloaked by the storm. Everyone gets -1 to -2 (potentially -3 for the fliers) to hit, and T2 the wulfen charge.

Comments and criticism requested.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [53 PL, 1,004pts, -1CP] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Trophies of Fenris [-1CP]: Trophies of Fenris - 1 Extra Relic

+ HQ +

Wolf Lord [6 PL, 124pts]: Jump Packs, Saga of the Wolfkin, Storm shield, The Wulfen Stone, Thunder hammer, Warlord

Wolf Priest [6 PL, 106pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Packs, Power fist

+ Troops +

Blood Claws [4 PL, 70pts]
. 4x Blood Claw
. Blood Claw Pack Leader: Power axe

Blood Claws [4 PL, 69pts]
. 4x Blood Claw
. Blood Claw Pack Leader: Power sword

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 83pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield

+ Elites +

Wulfen [11 PL, 227pts]
. 4x Thunder hammer & Stormshield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer
. 4x Wulfen
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Frost claws

+ Flyer +

Stormwolf [16 PL, 325pts]: Twin helfrost cannon
. Two Lascannons: 2x Lascannon
. Two Twin Multi-Meltas: 2x Twin multi-melta

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [57 PL, 996pts] ++

+ HQ +

Iron Priest [5 PL, 66pts]: Boltgun, Thunder hammer

Rune Priest [7 PL, 129pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 2. Tempest's Wrath, Bolt pistol, Jump Packs, Psychic hood, Runic axe, The Armour of Russ

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 83pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 83pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 83pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Chainsword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Chainsword, Storm shield

+ Elites +

Wulfen [11 PL, 227pts]
. 4x Thunder hammer & Stormshield: 4x Storm Shield, 4x Thunder Hammer
. 4x Wulfen
. Wulfen Pack Leader: Frost claws

+ Flyer +

Stormwolf [16 PL, 325pts]: Twin helfrost cannon
. Two Lascannons: 2x Lascannon
. Two Twin Multi-Meltas: 2x Twin multi-melta

++ Total: [110 PL, 2,000pts, -1CP] ++

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If you want to invest on getting Wulfen into melee there are a few other tricks to consider

 

The new phobos warlord traits include master of the vanguard

 

You can add 2 inches to wulfen (move and advance)

If you deploy from the flyer on turn 1 you get another 3 inches

 

That gives you 12 inches + D6 of pure movement

If anyone is within charge range you get another free inch of movement and reroll for wulfen

 

You have potential for turn 1 wulfen under certain circumstances

You basically have guaranteed turn 2 charge.  21 inches of pure movement and you can go through ruins/walls etc.

 

If you want your wulfen to be safe from return fire you can even put them on the hunt and pop up with a potential 8 to charge (vanguard WL trait).  When you take the rerolls into account it is decent chance of making it in.

 

 

I bring this up b/c I have been testing flyers and they keep coming up short.  I personally don't think they are in the competitive category.  T7 and -1 to hit just isn't durable enough for those points.  I lose my 2 flyers on turn 1 too often.  And the times they don't die they are crippled from damage.  People in my area (competitive group including people in top 10 ITC) are geared up to shoot castellan knights and have tools in case they face eldar flyer spam.  They really don't care about 1 or 2 stormwolf/stormfang flyers.  

 

This is a double whammy b/c you are relying on the flyer for fire support.  The flyers have a degrading profile and will not be reliable for very long.  On paper they appear to serve 2 roles but in my experience they are a priority target for an opponent and you lose the key component of the army you built the entire list around too early.

 

 

If you are 100% using flyers there are a few tricks you can pull for them as well

-Phobos warlord trait target priority turns all those guns into death dealers (BS2 flyer is possible)

-rune priests stratagem cloaked by the storm paired with tempest wrath as you mention above....but this is more of a turn 1 trick if you go first to get closer


Edited by TiguriusX, 16 June 2019 - 02:18 PM.

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Thanks for the feedback. I’ve been thinking a lot about the chaplain dread list you posted. If I had 3 or 4 twin-lascannon dreads sitting around I might play something similar, but I’m trying to use what I’ve got (although I am willing to buy a model or two if absolutely necessary).

Other things in my collection besides gobs and gobs of power armor dudes include 1) about 18 or 19 thunderwolves, 2) lots of non-magnetized glued in place melee terminators 3) four of the old godhammer landraiders, 3) a few rhino chassis with twin-assault cannon turrets if I want them to be razorbacks, 4) a couple of ace&shield dreads, 5) a couple of plasma cannon dreads, and of course Bjorn, Njal, and Logan (without the Santa sled).

I don’t see the raiders or terminators being of much use in any list idea I’ve come up with. I do have a Thunderwolves list that I think would absolutely devour horde lists, but has almost no answer to knights.

I don’t plan on taking first place, I just don’t want to get tabled every game I play. Any advice?

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my list actually began with terminators as the core

was going to teleport in and join the infiltrators on objectives i had secured by deploying

CQB is the theme and my terminators would live or die inside bldgs and my hqs would be jump lords who HI 6 inches or simply charge out at something nearby

Edited by TiguriusX, 17 June 2019 - 12:25 AM.

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But the idea of having a bunch of BS2+ lascannons that can’t be targeted because they’re characters is brilliant. And if you made one you’r warlord and gave it saga of the beast slayer you could drop knights with relative ease. I just don’t have the models for a similar list.

The Thunderwolves list I was toying with is built on the idea of taking gobs of Thunderwolves and giving them as many attacks as possible. 2A base, 3A from the tooth and claws, +1A from wulfen stone, +1A from Saga of the Wolfkin, +1 tooth and claw A from Canis Wolfborn, and +1A from Arjac (who only teleports in for big fights). Power axes so everything is S5. Potentially 9 S5 attacks per thunderwolf, on 15 Thunderwolves is around 135 attacks. But again, this list would have no response to knights or fast flier/eldar lists.


++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [55 PL, 958pts, -1CP] ++

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+ HQ +

Arjac Rockfist [7 PL, 145pts]

Rune Priest [7 PL, 122pts]: 1. Living Lightning, 4. Fury of the Wolf Spirits, Bolt pistol, Jump Packs, Runic sword, The Armour of Russ

Wolf Lord on Thunderwolf [7 PL, 149pts]: Saga of the Wolfkin, Storm shield, The Wulfen Stone, Thunder hammer, Warlord

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 89pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power sword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 89pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power sword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 89pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power sword
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Thunderwolf Cavalry [16 PL, 275pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Power axe, Storm shield

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Imperium - Space Wolves) [63 PL, 1,042pts] ++

+ HQ +

Canis Wolfborn [7 PL, 125pts]

Wolf Priest [6 PL, 97pts]: Bolt pistol, Jump Packs

+ Troops +

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 90pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 90pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

Grey Hunters [6 PL, 90pts]: 4x Chainsword
. Grey Hunter Pack Leader: Power axe
. 4x Grey Hunter w/Bolt Pistol
. Wolf Guard Pack Leader: Storm bolter, Storm shield

+ Fast Attack +

Thunderwolf Cavalry [16 PL, 275pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Power axe, Storm shield

Thunderwolf Cavalry [16 PL, 275pts]
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry: Power axe, Storm shield
. Thunderwolf Cavalry Pack Leader: Power axe, Storm shield

++ Total: [118 PL, 2,000pts, -1CP] ++

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step 1 is what is the goal of your list

ITC is flexible enough you can kill or hold

All my prior lists lost the attrition battle bc our stuff is expensive and everything dies in 8th

My solution to that is prevent someone from shooting at me. This can be LOS blocking or character protection or outflank alpha strike lists.

Find your gimmick then dive in 1000% percent

If you have 3 squads of wulfen go bonkers with them. deep strike phobos battle leader with vanguard trait and voila all those wulfen need 8" charges on 2d6 rerolling

TWC cant do enough in 8th. You have to run the board and eat shots...not a good idea

Power armor spam actually has potential but you need rhinos or razors for LOS blocking and transportation duties. That list would play to hold instead of kill though and may not be fun
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So you’re saying I should get a third stormwolf...

I’m joking of course, but I’ve thought about getting a third one.

Edited by NightHowler, 17 June 2019 - 02:46 AM.

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So you’re saying I should get a third stormwolf...

I’m joking of course, but I’ve thought about getting a third one.


lol i had the same thought when testing my 2

then i looked at the other cheap flyers to get air wing CP

it might create enough target saturation to clear limited anti air elements

i declined bc i personally dont love the flyers enough to do it...love dreads though!
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