Freeblade Exiled in Shame Burden

[Mushkilla]

A question regarding Freeblades (this also affects Dreadblades). There is a Burden/Damnation called Exile in Shame/Forsaken which prevents you from being affected by any stratagems (including the re-roll stratagem) if you fail your Burden/Damnation test. The question is can you use the re-roll stratagem to re-roll one of the dice for the failed burden/Damnation test?

[Stray]

A question regarding Freeblades (this also affects Dreadblades). There is a Burden/Damnation called Exile in Shame/Forsaken which prevents you from being affected by any stratagems (including the re-roll stratagem) if you fail your Burden/Damnation test. The question is can you use the re-roll stratagem to re-roll one of the dice for the failed burden/Damnation test?

 

If you were playing me, I'd let you.

 

My reasoning would be that you are attempting to stop the effect taking place, so it's technically not in effect yet?

[MajorNese]

 

A question regarding Freeblades (this also affects Dreadblades). There is a Burden/Damnation called Exile in Shame/Forsaken which prevents you from being affected by any stratagems (including the re-roll stratagem) if you fail your Burden/Damnation test. The question is can you use the re-roll stratagem to re-roll one of the dice for the failed burden/Damnation test?

 

If you were playing me, I'd let you.

 

My reasoning would be that you are attempting to stop the effect taking place, so it's technically not in effect yet?

The effect is only "Whilst this Burden applies", so there is a fixed time frame during which it applies, and outside of that it doesn't apply.

That timeframe starts with the result of the 2d6 roll and ends at the end of the turn.

 

BRB states that rerolls take place first, then modifiers, then you get the result.

IK codex burden:

"If a Freeblade from your army has any Burdens, roll 2D6 for them at the start of each of your turns, subtracting 1 from the result if the Freeblade has the Exiled in Shame Burden."

[so first you roll 2d6, then (before modifiers) would be the time for the strat reroll, then apply -1 modifier, then you get the result.]

"If the result is less than that Freeblade’s Leadership characteristic, their Burdens do not apply that turn. If the result equals or exceeds their Leadership characteristic, then their  Burdens apply until the start of your next turn."

 

So...you do the reroll before you get the result, and the result decides if you can reroll this turn or not. Seems to me that the order allows rerolls, as the burden only has an effect "Whilst this Burden applies".

[Mushkilla]

Ahh that makes sense, sounds so obvious now come to think of it.

[MajorNese]

Yeah, the whole roll-reroll-modifier-result thing is a bit obscure at times, which doesn't exactly help when abilities interact with parts of these without clarifying.

 

Since a tournament game of Girlyman and Issodon (both reroll all failed hit rolls) with modifiers all around, I at least know this part - "reroll all failed hit rolls" does not equal "reroll all failed hit rolls". Rerolls happening before modifiers, you sometimes reroll just 1s and 2s, but not 3s, while hitting on a 4+ (due to -1). Since it wasn't failed before modifiers (which is when the reroll applies) but failed after modifiers.

 

The other way around, if you ever got +1 BS you could even reroll successfull hit rolls as previously-failed ones if you'd want to. Rather confusing, but nice for some effects...

[Stray]

Yeah, highly appreciated Major - that's a brilliant explanation. I'd felt it'd work in that way, but to see it reasoned out with regard to the rules like that is really useful.