The Revenant Fists

[Brother Cambrius]

It's great to see this growing and adjusting with everyone's input!

 

So with the Xenos tech, that immediately bring up a big red flag of risk of purgation from Imperial assets if such matters emerged. However as Bjorn mentioned, the activities and secrecies of some more radical Xenos-focused Inquisitors allied with a slightly divergent Forge World can make that work. Key thing is to not make it waaay too outlandish that it would be a giant neon sign to the entire sector of heretical practices are taking place and require further attention from the Ordos of the Inquisition and their chamber militant assets.

 

But if you do decide to shift the Revenant Fists to be renegades, with the splitting of the Imperium you could have them be based in the Dark Imperium where jurisdiction is much harder to enforce from Terra and more...questionable actions can be hidden better.

 

Cambrius

[Bruce Malcom]

It's great to see this growing and adjusting with everyone's input!

 

So with the Xenos tech, that immediately bring up a big red flag of risk of purgation from Imperial assets if such matters emerged. However as Bjorn mentioned, the activities and secrecies of some more radical Xenos-focused Inquisitors allied with a slightly divergent Forge World can make that work. Key thing is to not make it waaay too outlandish that it would be a giant neon sign to the entire sector of heretical practices are taking place and require further attention from the Ordos of the Inquisition and their chamber militant assets.

 

But if you do decide to shift the Revenant Fists to be renegades, with the splitting of the Imperium you could have them be based in the Dark Imperium where jurisdiction is much harder to enforce from Terra and more...questionable actions can be hidden better.

 

Cambrius

They are. The Vector Royalists are in the Dark Imperium and therefore they are. And it's not anything new to have a Forge World 'disappear' a nosy Inquisitor when Jimmy the Magos is in the back slapping his big 'switch' on a Necron FTL drive or whathaveyou.

 

Hey! I just realized I can run these Fists with my Vector Royalists, when I grab them. Skitarii, not-Imperial Fists...perfect.

[Brother Lunkhead]

In all the excitement of creating this chapter and sharing ideas I kept thinking we've forgotten something Well, it clicked when Brother Cam posted this:

 

 

 

But if you do decide to shift the Revenant Fists to be renegades, with the splitting of the Imperium you could have them be based in the Dark Imperium where jurisdiction is much harder to enforce from Terra and more...questionable actions can be hidden better.

 

Seems to me they already are renegades...… at what point are the Revenant Fists recognized as an official chapter? Are they, or do they still consider themselves Imperial Fists? If they do still consider themselves Imperial Fists, have they reported to the current Chapter Master, or attempted to make contact? Sooner or later someone of import is going to ask some awkward questions..... and the jig is up. Even in Imperium Nihils there are plenty of sanctioned Space Marine Chapters, Inquisitors, and other officials that your Fists will make contact with or their allies will make contact with, and then...….  They may be able to dodge this for a while, but not forever.

 

Just something to consider...….

Edited August 21, 2019 by Brother Lunkhead

[Bruce Malcom]

In all the excitement of creating this chapter and sharing ideas I kept thinking we've forgotten something^_^ Well, it clicked when Brother Cam posted this:

 

 

 

 

But if you do decide to shift the Revenant Fists to be renegades, with the splitting of the Imperium you could have them be based in the Dark Imperium where jurisdiction is much harder to enforce from Terra and more...questionable actions can be hidden better.

Seems to me they already are renegades...… at what point are the Revenant Fists recognized as an official chapter? Are they, or do they still consider themselves Imperial Fists? If they do still consider themselves Imperial Fists, have they reported to the current Chapter Master, or attempted to make contact? Sooner or later someone of import is going to ask some awkward questions..... and the jig is up. Even in Imperium Nihils there are plenty of sanctioned Space Marine Chapters, Inquisitors, and other officials that your Fists will make contact with or their allies will make contact with, and then...….:sweat: They may be able to dodge this for a while, but not forever.

 

Just something to consider...….:whistling:

Again, if an Inquisitor gets to nosey...[intense Martian screaming] and we have new Servitor! But they usually hide behind the 'Closely-Following Our Forefathers-Chapter' idea. And the Vector Royalists only let in those they can trust. Inquisitors have to walk a very narrow path. They go off and investigate, BLAM!, lobotomize, or both. They're like the homies to Chapters, Regiments, and officials that aren't Chaos but still aren't exactly on good terms. It's like their thing. I remember one of the first things they did was defy the Ecclesiarchy and make Sister Skitarii out of Sisters for various reasons...they've already poked the bear to death Edited August 22, 2019 by Bruce Malcom

[Bjorn Firewalker]

6th or 7th Edition Codex: Space Marines states the Black Templars WORSHIP the God-Emperor. As you stated the Revenant Fists are Horus Heresy veterans who maintain the atheism the Emperor demanded of His followers, I imagine the Chapter and the Black Templars HATE each other, which will likely cause tensions with the M42 Imperial Fists and their descendants if Dorn's sons are forced to choose sides.

 

Meanwhile, Tzeentch is plotting to turn the various Imperial Fists successor Chapters against each other.

[Brother Lunkhead]

Ah..... so the Revenant Fists is a renegade chapter Better be careful while gallivanting around the galaxy..... The imperium may have the trappings of the Middle Ages, but they are a highly technical and sophisticated civilization with equally sophisticated security and intelligence procedures and organizations. Wearing the livery of the Fists is only going to get them so far.

 

Bruce Malcom

Posted Yesterday, 11:22 PM

 

Again, if an Inquisitor gets to nosey...[intense Martian screaming] and we have new Servitor! But they usually hide behind the 'Closely-Following Our Forefathers-Chapter' idea. And the Vector Royalists only let in those they can trust. Inquisitors have to walk a very narrow path. They go off and investigate, BLAM!, lobotomize, or both. They're like the homies to Chapters, Regiments, and officials that aren't Chaos but still aren't exactly on good terms. It's like their thing. I remember one of the first things they did was defy the Ecclesiarchy and make Sister Skitarii out of Sisters for various reasons...they've already poked the bear to death

 

Better not disappear too many Inquisitors. Nothing galvanizes a dysfunctional family (i.e. the Inquisition) quicker and more effectively like an outsider (i.e. the Revenant  Fists) messing with their kinfolk Same goes for the Sororitas…. and most Astartes Chapters will tow the line in a case like this too

 

For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the direction you're taking. In fact, I like it..... You just have some holes to fill in.

 

While I'm poking at you ....... How do the Fists plan on getting hold of Primaris technology? The Custodes (the guys in charge of delivering the good stuff to the Astartes chapters) have strict procedures for this..... and you know they're suspicious of everybody

Edited August 22, 2019 by Brother Lunkhead

[Bruce Malcom]

6th or 7th Edition Codex: Space Marines states the Black Templars WORSHIP the God-Emperor. As you stated the Revenant Fists are Horus Heresy veterans who maintain the atheism the Emperor demanded of His followers, I imagine the Chapter and the Black Templars HATE each other, which will likely cause tensions with the M42 Imperial Fists and their descendants if Dorn's sons are forced to choose sides.

Meanwhile, Tzeentch is plotting to turn the various Imperial Fists successor Chapters against each other.

Oh, they do. But they won't strike them unless it's an absolute given that the Imperium at large won't go full ballistic, which is rare.

 

Ah..... so the Revenant Fists is a renegade chapter;) Better be careful while gallivanting around the galaxy..... The imperium may have the trappings of the Middle Ages, but they are a highly technical and sophisticated civilization with equally sophisticated security and intelligence procedures and organizations. Wearing the livery of the Fists is only going to get them so far.

 

 

Bruce Malcom

Posted Yesterday, 11:22 PM

 

Again, if an Inquisitor gets to nosey...[intense Martian screaming] and we have new Servitor! But they usually hide behind the 'Closely-Following Our Forefathers-Chapter' idea. And the Vector Royalists only let in those they can trust. Inquisitors have to walk a very narrow path. They go off and investigate, BLAM!, lobotomize, or both. They're like the homies to Chapters, Regiments, and officials that aren't Chaos but still aren't exactly on good terms. It's like their thing. I remember one of the first things they did was defy the Ecclesiarchy and make Sister Skitarii out of Sisters for various reasons...they've already poked the bear to death

 

Better not disappear too many Inquisitors. Nothing galvanizes a dysfunctional family (i.e. the Inquisition) quicker and more effectively like an outsider (i.e. the Revenant  Fists) messing with their kinfolk<_< Same goes for the Sororitas…. and most Astartes Chapters will tow the line in a case like this too:eek

 

For the record, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the direction you're taking. In fact, I like it:tu:..... You just have some holes to fill in.

 

While I'm poking at you:teehee: ....... How do the Fists plan on getting hold of Primaris technology? The Custodes (the guys in charge of delivering the good stuff to the Astartes chapters) have strict procedures for this..... and you know they're suspicious of everybody<_<

Well, I'm glad you like it so far. And yes, they will be staying low and occasionally defending themselves. Plus, the Vector Royalists are mostly AdMech and they're damn good at their jobs, they know the security the Imperium uses. And they are mostly caught up, to the point where some even started believing in the Emperor...then they were BLAMMED. But besides the point. They can walk the walk and squawk the squawk of modern Fists.

[Brother Lunkhead]

……. How do they procure Primaris technology?

[Bjorn Firewalker]

How do they procure Primaris technology?

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

 

Revenant Fist: "Finally, we have sufficient amounts of rare earth to manufacture the electromagnetic accelerators for our boltguns, allowing us to upgrade them into bolt rifles! In the Emperor's name, after being trapped in the Warp for 10,000 years, we must be so far behind the other Imperial Fists Chapters!

 

Revenant Fist: "What do you mean, 'the bolt rifle is new technology'? We were issued the blueprints in 999.M31, and were to replace our boltguns with bolt rifles in Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the Phase Two weapons' introduction, due to the potentially disastrous consequences of shutting down boltgun production to upgrade our arms manufacturing facilities, but...

 

Revenant Fist: "Mark X power armor? This is just a suit of Mark VI armor! You won't believe how much trouble we had upgrading our forges to form plates of this size! Why... Wait, why don't you recognize this as 'Mark VI power armor'? Why did you need Marks VII, VIII, and IX power armor patterns?

 

Revenant Fist: "Primaris Marines? What a stupidly pretentious name! I only have the additional gene-seed organs required in preparation for Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the process of implanting the organs, as the chirurgery is time-consuming and requires specially trained personnel, but...

 

Revenant Fist: "You're only getting the Phase Two upgrades now? Enginseer Cawl was supposed to propagate knowledge of how to implement them to all loyal Legions! In the Emperor's name, what has that lazy sloth been doing the past 10,000 years?! Sitting on his many, many hands?!

 

Revenant Fist: "Archmagos Cawl? Who did that lazy sloth fornicate with to earn that rank?!"

Edited 27AUG to show the Revenant Fist is viewing things from a Heresy-era POV, e.g., referring to "loyal Legions" instead of "loyalist Chapters".

Edited August 27, 2019 by Bjorn Firewalker

[Bruce Malcom]

 

How do they procure Primaris technology?

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

Revenant Fist: "Finally, we have sufficient amounts of rare earth to manufacture the electromagnetic accelerators for our boltguns, allowing us to upgrade them into bolt rifles! In the Emperor's name, after being trapped in the Warp for 10,000 years, we must be so far behind the other Chapters!

Revenant Fist: "What do you mean, 'the bolt rifle is new technology'? We were issued the blueprints in 999.M31, and were to replace our boltguns with bolt rifles in Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the Phase Two weapons' introduction, due to the potentially disastrous consequences of shutting down boltgun production to upgrade our arms manufacturing facilities, but...

Revenant Fist: "Mark X power armor? This is just a suit of Mark VI armor! You won't believe how much trouble we had upgrading our forges to form plates of this size! Why... Wait, why don't you recognize this as 'Mark VI power armor'? Why did you need Marks VII, VIII, and IX power armor patterns?

Revenant Fist: "Primaris Marines? What a stupidly pretentious name! I only have the additional gene-seed organs required in preparation for Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the process of implanting the organs, as the chirurgery is time-consuming and requires specially trained personnel, but...

Revenant Fist: "You're only getting the Phase Two upgrades now? Enginseer Cawl was supposed to propagate knowledge of how to implement them to all loyalists Chapters! In the Emperor's name, what has that lazy sloth been doing the past 10,000 years? Sitting on his many, many hands?!

Revenant Fist: "Archmagos Cawl? Who did that lazy sloth fornicate with to earn that rank?!"

That works. It's better than my original idea! :D

[Brother Cambrius]

 

How do they procure Primaris technology?

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

 

-Snip!-

 

 

This amused me to no end and it's a very good ides and addition to help out. Now to see Brother Malcom include it in his article in the future when he is ready to.

 

<<EDIT>> Also, if these are truly a Renegade force, I'll thwock this thread to Index Traitoris, where it'll fit in better. :D

 

Cambrius

Edited August 27, 2019 by Brother Cambrius

[Brother Lunkhead]

 

 

How do they procure Primaris technology?

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

Revenant Fist: "Finally, we have sufficient amounts of rare earth to manufacture the electromagnetic accelerators for our boltguns, allowing us to upgrade them into bolt rifles! In the Emperor's name, after being trapped in the Warp for 10,000 years, we must be so far behind the other Chapters!

Revenant Fist: "What do you mean, 'the bolt rifle is new technology'? We were issued the blueprints in 999.M31, and were to replace our boltguns with bolt rifles in Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the Phase Two weapons' introduction, due to the potentially disastrous consequences of shutting down boltgun production to upgrade our arms manufacturing facilities, but...

Revenant Fist: "Mark X power armor? This is just a suit of Mark VI armor! You won't believe how much trouble we had upgrading our forges to form plates of this size! Why... Wait, why don't you recognize this as 'Mark VI power armor'? Why did you need Marks VII, VIII, and IX power armor patterns?

Revenant Fist: "Primaris Marines? What a stupidly pretentious name! I only have the additional gene-seed organs required in preparation for Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the process of implanting the organs, as the chirurgery is time-consuming and requires specially trained personnel, but...

Revenant Fist: "You're only getting the Phase Two upgrades now? Enginseer Cawl was supposed to propagate knowledge of how to implement them to all loyalists Chapters! In the Emperor's name, what has that lazy sloth been doing the past 10,000 years? Sitting on his many, many hands?!

Revenant Fist: "Archmagos Cawl? Who did that lazy sloth fornicate with to earn that rank?!"

That works. It's better than my original idea!

 

 

It's a good story, but better hold up there pilgrim. Before you go all renegade on us, better think about what might happen if this story gets to the wrong people (and by wrong I mean the right people)

 

……..Six months later aboard the Battle Barge Fury of Terra, flagship of the Praetorian Sword, a somewhat terse conversation takes place between Chapter Master Bellerophon and visiting Captain Bluntblade of the Warriors on Thin Ice Space Marine Chapter.

 

Bellerophon: Revenant Fists you say?..... Never heard of them. Enlighten me.

Bluntblade: …………...

Bellerophon: STOP...… You mean to tell me that after they told you this tale, you just left and didn't think to report this to your superiors? Unbelievable..... (sigh) Alright,

                     start from the beginning and leave nothing out.

Bluntblade: …………...

Bellerophon: ENOUGH...… I've heard enough (he rubs his temples in frustration). At the very least, don't you know a single piece of history about your primary weapon

                     and armor? First. Mk.VII Aquila armor was the last armor type released during the Heresy, and that was during the final phase of the war. Second.

                     The Godwyn pattern bolter and all it's varients was the last standard bolt gun developed.... and that was well  AFTER the Heresy...… and this talk of 

                     electromagnetic accelerator adapted Bolt Rifles...… that stinks of xeno technology. Brother Valensus, would you be so kind as to show the young captain here 

                     your Bolt Rifle. (Primaris Brother Valensus roughly tosses his Bolt Rifle to Captain Blunblade, who catches it with a grunt)…. That's the latest Mk.II Cawl 

                     Pattern Bolt Rifle. You'll notice it's clean and efficient Imperial design with NO accelerator.

 

                     Oh and let's not forget Primaris technology..... forgive me, I mean Phase Two organ replacement for the Great Crusade......THERE. WAS. NO. PHASE TWO 

                     ORGAN REPLASEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE GREAT CRUSADE!..... These were all LIES...….How do I know?...… I'd love to tell you, but then Chief 

                     Librarian Xenophon here would have to burn that memory from your brain (Chief Librarian Xenophon makes a stiff mock bow), and that would leave you

                     even less serviceable than you are now.

 

                     Well, I think that will be all. Brother Iglacius, please escort young Captain Brainiac here to the Librarius for a full debrief, then send him on his merry way.

                     (Chapter Champion Iglacius ushers Captain Bluntblade out of the Strategium)

 

                     (Bellerophon turns to his Chief Lbrarian) Emperor's fighting trousers Geminus, this could be disastrous. Renegades with Primaris tech..... How did this 

                     happen?

 

                    Whatever the cost, contact all of your operatives here in Imperium Nihilus and have them locate these Revenant Fists. That's a top priority. Send messages to 

                    all known Astartes chapters this side of the Rift and appraise them of the situation. Send out two Faustus fast messenger ships. One goes to Lord Inquisitor 

                    Tambo. He'll know who to contact. The other goes to the nearest Custodes outpost. 

 

                    …….well? What are you waiting for Geminus?.....GO. (Chief Librarian Xenophon slowly turns his dreadnought mass and lumbers out of the Strategium)

 

                    Emperor's fighting trousers,..... what a mess.

 

Or, something like that

 

Just so I'm clear here, I like your story. If that's the way you want to go, it's perfectly fine. Keep in mind that once you go renegade, you're labeled a traitor. No matter how pure your motives are you will be Excommunicate Tratoris and there will be no way back. The Imperium of Man does not forgive or forget. Something to think on before you cross the Rubicon.

 

Good luck and have fun

Edited August 27, 2019 by Brother Lunkhead

[Bruce Malcom]

 

 

 

 

How do they procure Primaris technology?

 

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

Revenant Fist: "Finally, we have sufficient amounts of rare earth to manufacture the electromagnetic accelerators for our boltguns, allowing us to upgrade them into bolt rifles! In the Emperor's name, after being trapped in the Warp for 10,000 years, we must be so far behind the other Chapters!

Revenant Fist: "What do you mean, 'the bolt rifle is new technology'? We were issued the blueprints in 999.M31, and were to replace our boltguns with bolt rifles in Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the Phase Two weapons' introduction, due to the potentially disastrous consequences of shutting down boltgun production to upgrade our arms manufacturing facilities, but...

Revenant Fist: "Mark X power armor? This is just a suit of Mark VI armor! You won't believe how much trouble we had upgrading our forges to form plates of this size! Why... Wait, why don't you recognize this as 'Mark VI power armor'? Why did you need Marks VII, VIII, and IX power armor patterns?

Revenant Fist: "Primaris Marines? What a stupidly pretentious name! I only have the additional gene-seed organs required in preparation for Phase Two of the Great Crusade! I understand Horus' rebellion would've delayed the process of implanting the organs, as the chirurgery is time-consuming and requires specially trained personnel, but...

Revenant Fist: "You're only getting the Phase Two upgrades now? Enginseer Cawl was supposed to propagate knowledge of how to implement them to all loyalists Chapters! In the Emperor's name, what has that lazy sloth been doing the past 10,000 years? Sitting on his many, many hands?!

Revenant Fist: "Archmagos Cawl? Who did that lazy sloth fornicate with to earn that rank?!"

That works. It's better than my original idea! :D

 

It's a good story, but better hold up there pilgrim. Before you go all renegade on us, better think about what might happen if this story gets to the wrong people (and by wrong I mean the right people):whistling:

 

……..Six months later aboard the Battle Barge Fury of Terra, flagship of the Praetorian Sword, a somewhat terse conversation takes place between Chapter Master Bellerophon and visiting Captain Bluntblade of the Warriors on Thin Ice Space Marine Chapter.

 

Bellerophon: Revenant Fists you say?..... Never heard of them. Enlighten me.

Bluntblade: …………...

Bellerophon: STOP...… You mean to tell me that after they told you this tale, you just left and didn't think to report this to your superiors? Unbelievable..... (sigh) Alright,

                     start from the beginning and leave nothing out.

Bluntblade: …………...

Bellerophon: ENOUGH...… I've heard enough (he rubs his temples in frustration). At the very least, don't you know a single piece of history about your primary weapon

                     and armor? First. Mk.VII Aquila armor was the last armor type released during the Heresy, and that was during the final phase of the war. Second.

                     The Godwyn pattern bolter and all it's varients was the last standard bolt gun developed.... and that was well  AFTER the Heresy...… and this talk of 

                     electromagnetic accelerator adapted Bolt Rifles...… that stinks of xeno technology. Brother Valensus, would you be so kind as to show the young captain here 

                     your Bolt Rifle. (Primaris Brother Valensus roughly tosses his Bolt Rifle to Captain Blunblade, who catches it with a grunt)…. That's the latest Mk.II Cawl 

                     Pattern Bolt Rifle. You'll notice it's clean and efficient Imperial design with NO accelerator.

 

                     Oh and let's not forget Primaris technology..... forgive me, I mean Phase Two organ replacement for the Great Crusade......THERE. WAS. NO. PHASE TWO 

                     ORGAN REPLASEMENT PROGRAM FOR THE GREAT CRUSADE!..... These were all LIES...….How do I know?...… I'd love to tell you, but then Chief 

                     Librarian Xenophon here would have to burn that memory from your brain (Chief Librarian Xenophon makes a stiff mock bow), and that would leave you

                     even less serviceable than you are now.

 

                     Well, I think that will be all. Brother Iglacius, please escort young Captain Brainiac here to the Librarius for a full debrief, then send him on his merry way.

                     (Chapter Champion Iglacius ushers Captain Bluntblade out of the Strategium)

 

                     (Bellerophon turns to his Chief Lbrarian) Emperor's

Geminus, this could be disastrous. Renegades with Primaris tech..... How did this 

                     happen?

 

                    Whatever the cost, contact all of your operatives here in Imperium Nihilus and have them locate these Revenant Fists. That's a top priority. Send messages to 

                    all known Astartes chapters this side of the Rift and appraise them of the situation. Send out two Faustus fast messenger ships. One goes to Lord Inquisitor 

                    Tambo. He'll know who to contact. The other goes to the nearest Custodes outpost. 

 

                    …….well? What are you waiting for Geminus?.....GO. (Chief Librarian Xenophon slowly turns his dreadnought mass and lumbers out of the Strategium)

 

                    Emperor's fighting trousers,..... what a mess.

 

Or, something like that;)

 

Just so I'm clear here, I like your story. If that's the way you want to go, it's perfectly fine. Keep in mind that once you go renegade, you're labeled a traitor. No matter how pure your motives are you will be Excommunicate Tratoris and there will be no way back. The Imperium of Man does not forgive or forget. Something to think on before you cross the Rubicon.

 

Good luck and have fun:D

 

 

How do they procure Primaris technology?

 

An excuse, from a suggestion made in the Ideas to improve upon Primaris Marines lore thread:

-Snip!-

 

This amused me to no end and it's a very good ides and addition to help out. Now to see Brother Malcom include it in his article in the future when he is ready to. :)

 

<<EDIT>> Also, if these are truly a Renegade force, I'll thwock this thread to Index Traitoris, where it'll fit in better. :D

 

Cambrius

Hmmm...they're renegade, but they have Loyalist support, even if it is secret. Vector Royalists are your bros when it comes to Renegades and Radicals.

 

Also I liked the little story. While it is comedic so I won't put it in, it is still funny.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Hmmm...they're renegade, but they have Loyalist support, even if it is secret. Vector Royalists are your bros when it comes to Renegades and Radicals.

The Imperium views "Renegades" as "Little better than traitors, and only because we can afford to delay their execution until we successfully eliminate our other enemies." If you want the Imperium to tolerate the Revenant Fists, describe them as "Mavericks" instead.

 

Revenant Fist: "Of course we follow the rules and obey orders, like all good and loyal Marines! Whose rules and whose orders? Dorn and the Emperor's- and ONLY Dorn and the Emperor's! Guilliman is NOT our father, and the High Lords of Terra are NOT the Emperor; they can shove their rules and orders where the sun doesn't shine."

[Brother Cambrius]

Bjorn has it right there. Renegade is a no going back deal once declared and you are at the mercy of Imperial execution.

 

Maverick is a possible route. Maybe pushing the Chapter's necessity in existing to stabilise their region would be a possible logical route. "Allies of Convenience" in a way from the old days of Allies in 6th Ed.

 

The terms are certainly not cordial with the Fists and everyone else, but the sense of Duty and Honour (alongside survival) maintains the tenuous bonds to prevent a cataclysmic collapse into warfare and anarchy.

 

Cambrius

[Bruce Malcom]

 

Hmmm...they're renegade, but they have Loyalist support, even if it is secret. Vector Royalists are your bros when it comes to Renegades and Radicals.

The Imperium views "Renegades" as "Little better than traitors, and only because we can afford to delay their execution until we successfully eliminate our other enemies." If you want the Imperium to tolerate the Revenant Fists, describe them as "Mavericks" instead.

Revenant Fist: "Of course we follow the rules and obey orders, like all good and loyal Marines! Whose rules and whose orders? Dorn and the Emperor's- and ONLY Dorn and the Emperor's! Guilliman is NOT our father, and the High Lords of Terra are NOT the Emperor; they can shove their rules and orders where the sun doesn't shine."

Ha!

Bjorn has it right there. Renegade is a no going back deal once declared and you are at the mercy of Imperial execution.

Maverick is a possible route. Maybe pushing the Chapter's necessity in existing to stabilise their region would be a possible logical route. "Allies of Convenience" in a way from the old days of Allies in 6th Ed.

The terms are certainly not cordial with the Fists and everyone else, but the sense of Duty and Honour (alongside survival) maintains the tenuous bonds to prevent a cataclysmic collapse into warfare and anarchy.

Cambrius

See, I don't want the Imperium to be cool with them. They secretly do their stuff with the help from the Vector Royalists, a 'Loyalist' faction with enough connections to stay 'Loyal' (think Radical Inquisitors who report 'it's all faithful fam' back to...whoever they report to, when in actuality they're giving those Revenant Fists Boltrifles and reverse engineering that Tau Rifle behind those closed doors.) so they can continue doing their thing and supplying the renegades, who, ironically, are helping keep the Dark Imperium functioning and not dying instantly alongside whatever relief Imperium proper's sending.

 

AKA they're the anti-heroes within 40k.

Edited August 29, 2019 by Bruce Malcom

[Brother Lunkhead]

Bruce Malcom

Posted Today, 01:44 AM

See, I don't want the Imperium to be cool with them. They secretly do their stuff with the help from the Vector Royalists, a 'Loyalist' faction with enough connections to stay 'Loyal' (think Radical Inquisitors who report 'it's all faithful fam' back to...whoever they report to, when in actuality they're giving those Revenant Fists Boltrifles and reverse engineering that Tau Rifle behind those closed doors.) so they can continue doing their thing and supplying the renegades, who, ironically, are helping keep the Dark Imperium functioning and not dying instantly alongside whatever relief Imperium proper's sending.

 

This is all very doable. Your chapter has enough shady allies with the right resources to keep them active and viable... You even have a good viable source for Primaris technology. I also think the dire situation of Imperium Nihils (check out A D-B's Spears of the Emperor to see just how dire) will keep a lot of people from asking too many questions or looking too closely at the "gift horse" so long as they don't cross too many lines. To that end I suggest several things:

• Keep quiet about the chapter origin (don't tell anyone from 'when' you came or your association with the Imperial Fists. There are many chapters with unknown origins, so blend in)
• It's not unusual for a chapter to simply appear out of nowhere at a time of need after many centuries on the frontier and after having long passed into legend or obscurity, so use an air of mystery to your advantage
• Keep a tight lip about pretty much everything (xeno tech, Primaris tech origins, etc). 
• Maintain social distance from all but your closest allies (a good healthy Space Marine air of arrogant hostility will keep most from chatting with you and asking awkward questions)
• Chapter business is Chapter business, and nobody else's business
• If all else fails, growl 

Even if you are renegade I'm not so sure your chapter doesn't belong here in the Liber Astartes. You are technically a heretic, but mostly technically and I'm not so sure you should be threaded to the traitor index. I'll have to do some research first

 

Think on how you want to approach these issues and how your chapter operates on the bad side of the Great Rift. Then we can decide what kind of renegade you are

Edited August 29, 2019 by Brother Lunkhead

[Bjorn Firewalker]

Your chapter has enough shady allies with the right resources to keep them active and viable... You even have a good viable source for Primaris technology. I also think the dire situation of Imperium Nihils (check out A D-B's Spears of the Emperor to see just how dire) will keep a lot of people from asking too many questions or looking too closely at the "gift horse" so long as they don't cross too many lines. To that end I suggest several things:

[*]Keep quiet about the chapter origin (don't tell anyone from 'when' you came or your association with the Imperial Fists. There are many chapters with unknown origins, so blend in)

[*]It's not unusual for a chapter to simply appear out of nowhere at a time of need after many centuries on the frontier and after having long passed into legend or obscurity, so use an air of mystery to your advantage

[*]Keep a tight lip about pretty much everything (xeno tech, Primaris tech origins, etc).

[*]Maintain social distance from all but your closest allies (a good healthy Space Marine air of arrogant hostility will keep most from chatting with you and asking awkward questions)

[*]Chapter business is Chapter business, and nobody else's business

[*]If all else fails, growl

This is well-reasoned.

[Brother Lunkhead]

Thanks Bjorn..... I have my lucid moments

[Bruce Malcom]

 

Bruce Malcom

Posted Today, 01:44 AM

See, I don't want the Imperium to be cool with them. They secretly do their stuff with the help from the Vector Royalists, a 'Loyalist' faction with enough connections to stay 'Loyal' (think Radical Inquisitors who report 'it's all faithful fam' back to...whoever they report to, when in actuality they're giving those Revenant Fists Boltrifles and reverse engineering that Tau Rifle behind those closed doors.) so they can continue doing their thing and supplying the renegades, who, ironically, are helping keep the Dark Imperium functioning and not dying instantly alongside whatever relief Imperium proper's sending.

 

This is all very doable. Your chapter has enough shady allies with the right resources to keep them active and viable... You even have a good viable source for Primaris technology. I also think the dire situation of Imperium Nihils (check out A D-B's Spears of the Emperor to see just how dire) will keep a lot of people from asking too many questions or looking too closely at the "gift horse" so long as they don't cross too many lines. To that end I suggest several things:

• Keep quiet about the chapter origin (don't tell anyone from 'when' you came or your association with the Imperial Fists. There are many chapters with unknown origins, so blend in)
• It's not unusual for a chapter to simply appear out of nowhere at a time of need after many centuries on the frontier and after having long passed into legend or obscurity, so use an air of mystery to your advantage
• Keep a tight lip about pretty much everything (xeno tech, Primaris tech origins, etc). 
• Maintain social distance from all but your closest allies (a good healthy Space Marine air of arrogant hostility will keep most from chatting with you and asking awkward questions)
• Chapter business is Chapter business, and nobody else's business
• If all else fails, growl:verymad: :eek

Even if you are renegade I'm not so sure your chapter doesn't belong here in the Liber Astartes. You are technically a heretic, but mostly technically and I'm not so sure you should be threaded to the traitor index. I'll have to do some research first^_^

 

Think on how you want to approach these issues and how your chapter operates on the bad side of the Great Rift. Then we can decide what kind of renegade you are^_^

Hmmm, it's gonna be hard to have the air of arrogant hostility. They're more Salamander than Fist in the kindness regard. After all, to save Humanity, you must love Humanity. Everything else they can do though. They won't answer the kinda questions Inquisitors will point their guns at, though.

 

They don't steal, they don't loot, they only save, fortify helpless worlds, and attempt to help rectify the sins of the past killing the future.

 

Shady allies for the win!

[Brother Lunkhead]

 

Bruce Malcom

Posted Yesterday, 11:55 PM

Hmmm, it's gonna be hard to have the air of arrogant hostility. They're more Salamander than Fist in the kindness regard. After all, to save Humanity, you must love Humanity. Everything else they can do though. They won't answer the kinda questions Inquisitors will point their guns at, though.

 

They don't steal, they don't loot, they only save, fortify helpless worlds, and attempt to help rectify the sins of the past killing the future.

 

Humanity luvin' Salamander-fu it is then Your chapter is shaping up very nicely Brother Bruce. Any thoughts as to what your heraldry and insignia will look like, or are you going to stay incognito as Imperial Fists?

 

Since your boys are technically renegades, there was some talk earlier about moving them to Index Tratoris. However, I'm thinking that since they are doing the Emperor's good work and show no signs of taint they should stay here on the Astartes side of town.

 

Looking forward to more from the Revenant Fists

Edited August 31, 2019 by Brother Lunkhead

[Bruce Malcom]

 

Bruce Malcom

 

Posted Yesterday, 11:55 PM

Hmmm, it's gonna be hard to have the air of arrogant hostility. They're more Salamander than Fist in the kindness regard. After all, to save Humanity, you must love Humanity. Everything else they can do though. They won't answer the kinda questions Inquisitors will point their guns at, though.

They don't steal, they don't loot, they only save, fortify helpless worlds, and attempt to help rectify the sins of the past killing the future.

 

Humanity luvin' Salamander-fu it is then:tu: Your chapter is shaping up very nicely Brother Bruce. Any thoughts as to what your heraldry and insignia will look like, or are you going to stay incognito as Imperial Fists?

 

Since your boys are technically renegades, there was some talk earlier about moving them to Index Tratoris. However, I'm thinking that since they are doing the Emperor's good work and show no signs of taint they should stay here on the Astartes side of town.

 

Looking forward to more from the Revenant Fists:yes:

That...is a trope with me and my 40k factions. I love to see good things in bad settings and bad things in good settings. Pretty sure there's a name for that.

 

They're staying undercover as Fists, however they look worn, damaged, beaten, and their higher-ups ('Chapter-Master', ect.) wear cloaks and other pieces of equipment. However their Primaris looks mostly shiny and new, considering they just made them the other day.

[Bjorn Firewalker]

That...is a trope with me and my 40k factions. I love to see good things in bad settings and bad things in good settings.

This has to be done EXTREMELY carefully, or the result will be an utter disaster comparable to Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which tried to make a light and soft story into a dark and edgy one. You MUST consult at least two proofreaders who are familiar with the setting, and LISTEN TO their ADVICE, or you will be as hated as Alex Kurtzman and Rian Johnson.

[Messor]

The stakes probably aren't that dramatic for someone's personal IA.

[Bruce Malcom]

 

That...is a trope with me and my 40k factions. I love to see good things in bad settings and bad things in good settings.

This has to be done EXTREMELY carefully, or the result will be an utter disaster comparable to Star Trek Into Darkness and Star Wars: The Last Jedi, which tried to make a light and soft story into a dark and edgy one. You MUST consult at least two proofreaders who are familiar with the setting, and LISTEN TO their ADVICE, or you will be as hated as Alex Kurtzman and Rian Johnson.

I mean, hopefully I've had a good track record so far, but...

The stakes probably aren't that dramatic for someone's personal IA.

He's kinda right. I'm not writing for the Black Library or anything. :) If I was, I wouldn't be posting this stuff here.