G8Keeper Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 This is not our codex mk 2 sadly. However the doctrines do open an interesting door for them to create a hexagrammatron doctrine for us when we get our re-work I "love" how poorly GW words things. On Warcom they list combat doctrines as the "last part of the new Angels of Death ability" So either we don't get the "Angels of Death" rule as mentioned in that quote from facebook, it's different for DA, or the doctrines aren't part of the ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I really hate how GW answers these question. It's like "You get an update for your :cussty rules and a walker unit from 90's cartoon "EXO-Squad", so please be quiet". They never acknowledge that they can do something wrong. Volt, Grand Master Raziel and Hantheman 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Oh they've communicated it very, very badly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Well, let's not despair. C'mon guys. An update will come soon enough for us. If we don't get doctrines, we might get something else. If the regular DW and RW get switched for something as ridiculous as a gunslinging stealth powerloader, we will have fun with it anyway. And if we get no new models, at least our collections will be spared having to be thrown into a storage unit or a dumpster for a bit longer, which is good. Even if the changes mean we remain a not-so-competitive codex, it's no big deal, as long as the army retains it's soul and gets at least SOME fixes to its issues. Let's stay positive! Bad wording and poor communication not withstanding. I hope we get doctrine equivalents that bring back the synergy between wings; that we get an improved chapter tactic; that we get to customize our successors a bit; and that our replacement bikers are not freaking repulsor bikes (although, that is quite unlikely. Everything floats down here, by now. We all float down here) sneakybamsen, Shaneos, Lostrael and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Oh I'm not despairing, I'm happy with the +1 attack and the new units, plenty of stuff to get our teeth into. If anything I'm more positive changes will be made to the core abilities once we get an updated codex, whenever that may be. sneakybamsen 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Bikes with chainswords and a banner will be amazing now. G8Keeper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadman Wade Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I'm pretty sure we won't get anything new, except for phobos stuff and EXO-squad. Maybe slight points ajustments and rules fixing, nothing major though. Anyway, all I want is some buffs to terminators, aside from general +1 attack in the first round of combat, and some love for chaplains. TBH, Dark Angels are still the best looking space marine army (for me it's best looking, period), so I'm not too worried about lack of new units. I hate primaris stuff anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isual Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Seems its time to play robed vanilla marines in green powerarmor again -.-. Interrogator Stobz, Volt and Berzul 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fierce Bear Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 I think Berzuls right we will get our day in the 'buff sun' might be a month or two... SM doctrines... But not for the DA... But the DA have 3 'wings'... GW - Grim Resolve updated to give -1ap too? RW - Speed of the raven I.e. move and shoot normally? DW - DW Assault.. double tap? Grim Resolve and -1ap Just a an idea! I suspect there will be some poi t adjustments though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MistaGav Posted August 8, 2019 Share Posted August 8, 2019 Maybe when we get a codex 2.0 we will get some specific greenwing/Deathwing/Ravenwing doctrines that are tailored to them. Also I've been thinking, instead of getting specific new Primaris kits but detachments that give certain primaris units the Deathwing or Ravenwing keyword instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indefragable Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) New Stratagem that lets you designate a single enemy unit to count as <Fallen> for all rules purposes. Commander: “Why’d you blow up that bus full of puppies heading to the orphanage?” Deathwing: “the driver was Fallen.” Commander: “.....whatsoever led you to believe that?!?!?” Deathwing; <shrugs> “A hunch. Guessed wrong. Whoops.” Edited August 9, 2019 by Indefragable Cpt_Reaper, Galloway, Wraith776 and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 What interests me about the supplements is there seems to be two levels of relics, one lot for the named chapter and one lot for them + successors. With that and the create your own vanilla chapter with the traits I do wonder, maybe it's more of a hope, that we and BA get rules for successors too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domsto Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) So GW officially sayd all non Codex Chapter won't get the 2.0 treatemnt the Codex Marines get. So all we will get are the new Units and some of the Special Rules(Like every other SM Faction get, even the Chaos ones) Dark Angels will now drop back heavily compared to the other Chapters. I am so Salty about GWs decision to pass over DA,BA,SW, the black Sea seems sweet against. Edited August 9, 2019 by domsto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 So GW officially sayd all non Codex Chapter won't get the 2.0 treatemnt the Codex Marines get. So all we will get are the new Units and some of the Special Rules(Like every other SM Faction get, even the Chaos ones) Dark Angels will now drop back heavily compared to the other Chapters. I am so Salty about GWs decision to pass over DA,BA,SW, the black Sea seems sweet against. They will get it with a new codex, just not with the PDF. That's my hope anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 So GW officially sayd all non Codex Chapter won't get the 2.0 treatemnt the Codex Marines get. So all we will get are the new Units and some of the Special Rules(Like every other SM Faction get, even the Chaos ones) Dark Angels will now drop back heavily compared to the other Chapters. I am so Salty about GWs decision to pass over DA,BA,SW, the black Sea seems sweet against. They will get it with a new codex, just not with the PDF. That's my hope anyway. I think we will get a new codex with the next wave of primaris units sometime next year I hope I'm wrong as we are such an uncompetitive codex at the moment we need all the help we can get G8Keeper 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I didn't know this until yesterday but we're ranked bottom of the factions in ITC events. oldmanlee 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I didn't know this until yesterday but we're ranked bottom of the factions in ITC events. Yeah we suck bad that's for sure I can't remember the last time I saw a dark Angels list do well at a tournament Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ValourousHeart Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I didn't know this until yesterday but we're ranked bottom of the factions in ITC events. Why would the ITC ranking matter to 90% of DA players? The ITC format has an extreme bias toward a particular play style and list construction. It is also easy to design lists that are hard counters to the ITC winner lists. And when reviewing the ITC mission objectives, it is obvious why those hard counter lists didn't show up. So ITC turns out to be a Rock Paper Scissors event that has paper on the banned list. I would loved to be proved wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hantheman Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I mean, I don't think there's been a dark angel tournament winner in 8th of any format, and very very few top 10s We're not really a useful soup ally for Imperium as other armies do either horde clearing, anti-tank and board control all better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berzul Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 We could always play custom green-marines through the updated codex, until our own comes out -_- Saddly, I gotta say that, as a successor player, I am tempted to do so. I hardly ever use many stratagems other than generic ones, plus Speed of the Raven; or special and unique units besides the Darkshroud or the Dark Talon. My army lists are mostly greenwing, and can be made for the same point costs with a codex-compliant rule set (which is why my successor is very codex compliant). I love the Dark Angels above all other factions, but I just might remain one in spirit, not in mechanics, for a while, if things keep going the way they are going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I mean, I don't think there's been a dark angel tournament winner in 8th of any format, and very very few top 10s We're not really a useful soup ally for Imperium as other armies do either horde clearing, anti-tank and board control all better . Yeah I belive there was a list that did ok at lvo 2018 before gw brought in the rule of 3. I'm at the point until gw bring out a new dark Angels Dex there going to stay in there cases. As I only play in tournaments now and don't want you to take a army with so few good units Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G8Keeper Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 I didn't know this until yesterday but we're ranked bottom of the factions in ITC events. Why would the ITC ranking matter to 90% of DA players? The ITC format has an extreme bias toward a particular play style and list construction. It is also easy to design lists that are hard counters to the ITC winner lists. And when reviewing the ITC mission objectives, it is obvious why those hard counter lists didn't show up. So ITC turns out to be a Rock Paper Scissors event that has paper on the banned list. I would loved to be proved wrong. I had a similar reply to the guy who told me on fb. I have a modest 50:50 win ratio in 8th with all flavours of DA taken into account, I'm pretty happy. My meta consists of friends, of varying degrees of beardyness and even a fallen player who I'm yet to beat (all that plasma turned against me!). I'm sure that little admission will earn me some wrath from my DA brothers and sisters jbaeza94 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shabbadoo Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 (edited) I didn't know this until yesterday but we're ranked bottom of the factions in ITC events. Why would the ITC ranking matter to 90% of DA players? The ITC format has an extreme bias toward a particular play style and list construction. It is also easy to design lists that are hard counters to the ITC winner lists. And when reviewing the ITC mission objectives, it is obvious why those hard counter lists didn't show up. So ITC turns out to be a Rock Paper Scissors event that has paper on the banned list. I would loved to be proved wrong. I don't think you are wrong, considering what too many ITC army lists look like. "Hi! Here's my Astra Miltarum tournament army list: 3 Imperial Knights,..." Oh yes, it is Astra Miltarum (and others) that are just beating the living $#@! out of Dark Angels on the ITC scene, not any sort of oh so rare Island of Dr. Moreau freak of nature hybrid army lists. So, yeah, take any ITC rankings with a dump truck load of salt, as they represent nothing about how a codex is doing all on its own. Anybody who uses tournament stats to rate a codex's capabilities is at best being woefully ignorant. Edited August 9, 2019 by shabbadoo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 OH YEAH!!!!! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanlee Posted August 9, 2019 Share Posted August 9, 2019 OH YEAH!!!!! :) Mmmm could be cool but most likely a start collecting box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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