No, because those units are specifically not designed to be shot at. This would be like making a tank with an open concept design for a hull, and then saying it's perfectly reasonable because aircraft only have 10mm or less armor. The entire point of the fast mover is that it doesn't get shot at because it's only there briefly, relying on mobility above armor for survival. That's not the case with the Invictor, which is a large lumbering war suit that towers over the battlefield and is such a large silhouette that even a crosseyed cultist with an autocannon could splatter the pilot.
Translation? Handwavium for old stuff apparently.
Landspeeders actually have armor and sloped cockpits with only the gunner being exposed, and are also a fast moving skimmer meant to only briefly engage the enemy instead of a slow moving walker. Bikes likewise would be one of the most realistic units in 40k if they were only equipped with hunter killers and lascannons instead of plasma guns and meltaguns.
You guys do realise Space Marine bikers are a more silly concept, potentially? The first pothole would send Marines flying and they have no protection. Landspeeders are the same.
Why is the Astartes armour in a landspeeder perfectly fine, but here it's suddenly a problem?
I stand by the thought that the Invictus is likely based on the old STC mankind used before the Dark Ages and the Emperor had them stick a life support coffin in it.
Now we've gone back to that original design but slapped guns on it.
-Warhounds- are recon vehicles for titans.
Heck, Sentinels are tall, operate in groups and the scout varients are just as open topped but the guy inside only wears flak armour.
Being lightweight and quieter than most Marine vehicles (not a hard feat since few of them are even "relatively" quiet) able to go behind enemy lines to perform recon or support a unit that isn't stupid. I can, and have hammered on this point on how this can work several times (not all of them here) since this model was announced but let's put it aside for a moment and look at some other things.
Ready? Okay. So Shrike, an 8' tall humanoid in black and white power armour with a JUMP PACK is a covert unit. So is a unit of Space Marine Scouts on Motorcycles. So are Scout Sentinels. So are Land Speeder Storms.
None of these are small, even "relatively" quiet and yet no one cares.
Moving on to all this demand for real world common sense seems to forget that thus is a setting that flips the bird to square-cube law, conservation of motion, and physics in general. Dang near no one wears protective gear properly or use seat restraints.
This is a setting where people charge head first through enemy fire to stab people with daemonically possessed prison shanks. This is also the same setting that laughs at blood loss from catastrophic amputations.
Space Marine aircraft doesn't even fly as much as it falls forward towards the horizon faster than it does the ground.
And that's not even getting into the Space locusts, fungoid Orks with genetic memory, BDSM powered elves, soul powered robots, and a dozen other things that don't -really- follow common sense.
Basically I think people are too busy nitpicking stuff because it's new (especially if it's new and Primaris) to realize how silly is to complain about the exposed cockpit on a walker that has an unarmoured engine block and is being piloted by a 9' tall human wrapped in armour as good as most tanks and can shrug off explosive shells the size of soda cans that would break a lesser man's bones from the impact alone.
Basically in a setting made of piling the ridiculiousness up past 11 griping about this sort of thing is just a -bit- silly.
Edited by Fulkes, 17 August 2019 - 05:06 AM.