New lore details from Codex: Space Marines

[MegaVolt87]

Hm, I was going to cut of the grav plated from the Inceptors I was getting as the look is something I am not a fan of. Maybe I can modify the jump pack somehow to show it has extra power so the grav boots are unnecessary. 

[BitsHammer]

Hm, I was going to cut of the grav plated from the Inceptors I was getting as the look is something I am not a fan of. Maybe I can modify the jump pack somehow to show it has extra power so the grav boots are unnecessary.

It's not grav plate, it absorbs shock so they can land faster and then provides a kind of boost assist when they take off again.

[BitsHammer]

Just a thought, but Guilliman opening up grav tech for more research could bring Jet Bikes back. Edited August 18, 2019 by Fulkes

[Gederas]

Just a thought, but Guilliman opening up grav tech for more research could bring Jet Bikes back.

Yes please

[Huggtand]

Just a thought, but Guilliman opening up grav tech for more research could bring Jet Bikes back.

 

Yes, that´s probably the logical direction that they are working on. They are slowly bringing in grav-version of the classic vehicle pool so grav-bikes is hopefully not so far away

[Ishagu]

It's going to happen, no doubt about it.

 

They'll be less sleek, more brute force than the Custodes variants.

[Robbienw]

I’ve just been reading the White Scars supplement, and blimey they are in a difficult situation!

 

The sector Chogoris is in has been battered by chaos assaults with several planets conquered.

 

Chogoris itself has suffered from the Red Corsairs invasion and proximity to the Maelstrom (which has grown in size due to the Great Rift), and has become tainted by chaos.

 

The white scars have been working hard to eradicate the taint since they repelled the red corsairs, but it is still currently persisting, and they are having to be careful screening their new recruits as some of the population have been affected as well.

[Blindhamster]

Wow those are indeed pretty dire straights!

[MegaVolt87]

IF's have the last wall protocol for emergancies. I wonder if WS have something similar, the last hunt perhaps? 

[Medjugorje]

dont think so... in the current fluff, the WS dont have this mentality AND the Khan liked the idea of Splitting the legions into chapters...

[MegaVolt87]

dont think so... in the current fluff, the WS dont have this mentality AND the Khan liked the idea of Splitting the legions into chapters...

 

Did Dorn set up the last wall protocol or was it Sigismund? Who was the first chaptermaster of WS, I don't remember knowing who it was. 

[Medjugorje]

Khan was the first chapter master^^

 

It was Dorn I think.

[MegaVolt87]

Khan was the first chapter master^^

 

It was Dorn I think.

 

Well yea, technically all the surviving primarchs were the first chapter master, but after they died/ disappeared we don't seem to know who the first non primarch chapter masters are for a few chapters like RG, WS etc. 

[Claws and Effect]

There's nothing different for Primaris structure just yet, 1st is still Veteran Company (Veteran Intercessors is a standard stratagem now), 2-5th are Battle, 6-9 Reserve, 10th is Scout.

Interestingly, it seems to imply that Primaris do use Scouts now, as it's implied that the Scouts are the "neophytes" that have yet to become full Battle Brothers, and that the 10th Company has 10 Vanguard squads in addition to the Scouts. There's also a fluff piece about the progression of a Primaris Ultramarine from recruitment through to Veteran, and he takes part in recon duties before his geneseed has fully taken, and it's only after that that he joins a Reiver Squad, and also Eliminator, as part of 10th Company.

Makes sense.

 

Eliminators, Reivers, and Infiltrators are the Primaris analogs of the 3 Scout loadouts.

[RandomMarine]

I noticed a couple of things that have changed since the last codex. repulsors and the impulsor aren't using some new tech to float now it's been changed to the same as the landspeeder.the Ironhands seem to have abit of legion building going on, having suddenly started being nice to their succesors

[Biscuittzz]

 

Khan was the first chapter master^^

 

It was Dorn I think.

 

Well yea, technically all the surviving primarchs were the first chapter master, but after they died/ disappeared we don't seem to know who the first non primarch chapter masters are for a few chapters like RG, WS etc. 

 

 

Not exactly - for RG anyway, I think Corax removed himself from overall command of the Raven Guard just as the official breakdown into chapters happened. While he stuck around before disappearing, I think he ceded power to the new chapter master. My guess would be Commander Agapito, as all the heresy commanders are already associated with now known successor chapters.

[Knight of the Raven]

IF's have the last wall protocol for emergancies. I wonder if WS have something similar, the last hunt perhaps? 

Recalling all successors to the homeworld is standard practice for all First Founding Chapters who have a homeworld in the first place, I believe. The First Tyrannic War and the Devastation of Baal had all available descendants of Guilliman and Sanguinius, respectively, come back to Ultramar and Baal, for instance. It's just that it's sometimes hard to be "available" when everyone else in the galaxy wants your species dead.

 

The exception is Nocturne and the Salamanders, of course. And being Salamanders, if some of them slip through the cracks, chances are they'll remain where they are and protect the local population rather than go back to defend the homeworld.

 

Moving to The Last Wall, it wasn't a protocol to protect the Imperial Fists themselves. It was a protocol to protect Terra. The Codex Astartes be damned. The rest of the galaxy be damned. The rest of humanity be damned.

[No Foes Remain]

Just reading through the lore now and its not new but I noticed that it omits the sizes of the Legions, not refferencing the old 10k~ numbers nor the 100k~ new numbers via FW. I also miss the page(s) which featured the various armour Marks, but they did mention them in a section related to power armour.

[Jorin Helm-splitter]

As far as omitting the size of the legions is concerned, I think that's a good strategy on GWs part. The numbers they've provided in the fluff on tons of topics have never made a ton of sense. So just downplay them entirely.

[MeltaRange]

There's nothing different for Primaris structure just yet, 1st is still Veteran Company (Veteran Intercessors is a standard stratagem now), 2-5th are Battle, 6-9 Reserve, 10th is Scout.

Interestingly, it seems to imply that Primaris do use Scouts now, as it's implied that the Scouts are the "neophytes" that have yet to become full Battle Brothers, and that the 10th Company has 10 Vanguard squads in addition to the Scouts. There's also a fluff piece about the progression of a Primaris Ultramarine from recruitment through to Veteran, and he takes part in recon duties before his geneseed has fully taken, and it's only after that that he joins a Reiver Squad, and also Eliminator, as part of 10th Company.

 

Do you, or anyone, know if Veteran Intercessors are considered Veterans (either 1st company, or in a Company Veterans type role) or if they are still Battleline Squads?  It appears on page 18 of the new codex that they are in fact veterans, but is there any reference to what that means for say their right pauldron...is it the Troop up arrow or the Veteran cross?  

[MegaVolt87]

 

 

Khan was the first chapter master^^

 

It was Dorn I think.

 

Well yea, technically all the surviving primarchs were the first chapter master, but after they died/ disappeared we don't seem to know who the first non primarch chapter masters are for a few chapters like RG, WS etc. 

 

 

Not exactly - for RG anyway, I think Corax removed himself from overall command of the Raven Guard just as the official breakdown into chapters happened. While he stuck around before disappearing, I think he ceded power to the new chapter master. My guess would be Commander Agapito, as all the heresy commanders are already associated with now known successor chapters.

 

 

Thinking about it more, we won't settle the incomplete chapter masters for the first founding + OG successors issue probably until the HH siege of Terra arc concludes.  

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

There's nothing different for Primaris structure just yet, 1st is still Veteran Company (Veteran Intercessors is a standard stratagem now), 2-5th are Battle, 6-9 Reserve, 10th is Scout.

Interestingly, it seems to imply that Primaris do use Scouts now, as it's implied that the Scouts are the "neophytes" that have yet to become full Battle Brothers, and that the 10th Company has 10 Vanguard squads in addition to the Scouts. There's also a fluff piece about the progression of a Primaris Ultramarine from recruitment through to Veteran, and he takes part in recon duties before his geneseed has fully taken, and it's only after that that he joins a Reiver Squad, and also Eliminator, as part of 10th Company.

 

Do you, or anyone, know if Veteran Intercessors are considered Veterans (either 1st company, or in a Company Veterans type role) or if they are still Battleline Squads?  It appears on page 18 of the new codex that they are in fact veterans, but is there any reference to what that means for say their right pauldron...is it the Troop up arrow or the Veteran cross?  

 

 

They don't definitively say, but I'd imagine that they'd be Veterans. Remember, FOC listing doesn't equate to what Role they have, given Incursors are Troops choices but are Close Support units.

[Panzer]

 

 Remember, FOC listing doesn't equate to what Role they have, given Incursors are Troops choices but are Close Support units.

 

Probably the reason why he asked about "Battleline squads" and "Veteran squads" instead of "Troops squads" and "Elite squads" in the first place.

Edited August 28, 2019 by sfPanzer

[Lord_Caerolion]

 

 

 Remember, FOC listing doesn't equate to what Role they have, given Incursors are Troops choices but are Close Support units.

 

Probably the reason why he asked about "Battleline squads" and "Veteran squads" instead of "Troops squads" and "Elite squads" in the first place.

 

 

Yes, but I know that's a source of confusion for a lot of people ("Why do Blood Angel Agressors have blue helmets? They're not Heavy Support!").

[Spaced Hulk]

 

 

There's nothing different for Primaris structure just yet, 1st is still Veteran Company (Veteran Intercessors is a standard stratagem now), 2-5th are Battle, 6-9 Reserve, 10th is Scout.

Interestingly, it seems to imply that Primaris do use Scouts now, as it's implied that the Scouts are the "neophytes" that have yet to become full Battle Brothers, and that the 10th Company has 10 Vanguard squads in addition to the Scouts. There's also a fluff piece about the progression of a Primaris Ultramarine from recruitment through to Veteran, and he takes part in recon duties before his geneseed has fully taken, and it's only after that that he joins a Reiver Squad, and also Eliminator, as part of 10th Company.

 

Do you, or anyone, know if Veteran Intercessors are considered Veterans (either 1st company, or in a Company Veterans type role) or if they are still Battleline Squads? It appears on page 18 of the new codex that they are in fact veterans, but is there any reference to what that means for say their right pauldron...is it the Troop up arrow or the Veteran cross?

In the latest White Dwarf, there's an Ultramarine Intercessor squad painted up with the white helmets and shoulder trims of the First Company.

 

However, I'd say you could paint them up either way. Lore wise, Intercessors promoted to the First Company would obviously have the relevant veteran markings. However, during long campaigns, a battle line squad of the Third Company (for example) could easily gain the skills and experience to be considered veterans, but would still display their original markings.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Spaced Hulk