Morticon Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 So...according to the BRB FAQ, "Q: Is it possible to use a Stratagem from one codex to target a unit from another? A: Yes, so long as the unit the Stratagem is being used on has the appropriate keywords (note that the Stratagems in Codex: Chaos Daemons and Codex: Tyranids are specific exceptions to this, as discussed in the relevant FAQs and Errata). For example, you can use the Tide of Traitors Stratagem from Codex: Chaos Space Marines on a unit of Cultists from a Death Guard Detachment (from Codex: Death Guard) if your army has both an Alpha Legion Detachment and a Death Guard Detachment in a single Battle-forged army. Also note that the only requirement to have access to Stratagems is that you have a Detachment of the appropriate Faction." I'm not sure if you've seen, but the amount of available "Astartes" and other shared unit/keyword Strats the new dex has is unreal. We have some new toys after all - and all we need is a small detachment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Raven 19 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Maybe run a small detatchment of RG devastators/Eliminators that sit at the back and shoot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Does the SM detachment have to be battle forged? If not, say hello to one UM Servitor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Does the SM detachment have to be battle forged? If not, say hello to one UM Servitor! Doesn't your army has to be battle forged to get access to Stratagems in the first place anyway? Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) Does the SM detachment have to be battle forged? If not, say hello to one UM Servitor! Doesn't your army has to be battle forged to get access to Stratagems in the first place anyway? You are probably right. I just remember a recent tourney where one of top players had a single Black Templar servitor to give access to "Abhor the Witch". I think that an under-strength detachment is still battle-forged provided you pay the -1CP penalty. Edited August 19, 2019 by Karhedron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 New List of strats we can use: Suppression Fire Duty Eternal Bolt Storm Veteran Intercessors Hunter-Slayer Missile. Gravitic Amplification Rapid Fire Hammer of Wrath .....yes. Big guns never tire Fury of the First ,....yes! Target Sighted Steady Advance Skilled Riders! Hero of the Chapter Transhuman Physiology!!!! Gene-wrought Might Vengeance of the Machine Spirit. !!!!! So exited. Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Gravitic Amplification! Grav-Dev bomb in a drop pod incoming. Helias_Tancred 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Transhuman Physiology alone will be such a huge boost for us if we can really use those ^^ Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Closet Skeleton Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Does the SM detachment have to be battle forged? If not, say hello to one UM Servitor! Doesn't your army has to be battle forged to get access to Stratagems in the first place anyway? You are probably right. I just remember a recent tourney where one of top players had a single Black Templar servitor to give access to "Abhor the Witch". I think that an under-strength detachment is still battle-forged provided you pay the -1CP penalty. A single Black Templar Servitor doesn't grant access to Abhor the Witch on its own, Space Marine detachments are what grants stratagem access with Chapter specific powers being an extra level of restriction on top. That player must have had a full Space Marine detachment of non-Black Templars for the Servitor to do anything. Battle Forged just means you get the base 3CP, armies are battle forged if they consist entirely of units in detachments so the detachments cannot be battle forged in themselves. All matched play armies have to be Battle Forged as a baseline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolchiate Remembrancer Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 New List of strats we can use: Suppression Fire Duty Eternal Bolt Storm Veteran Intercessors Hunter-Slayer Missile. Gravitic Amplification Rapid Fire Hammer of Wrath .....yes. Big guns never tire Fury of the First ,....yes! Target Sighted Steady Advance Skilled Riders! Hero of the Chapter Transhuman Physiology!!!! Gene-wrought Might Vengeance of the Machine Spirit. !!!!! So exited. But we need a SM non BA detachment to use them right? Morticon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 But we need a SM non BA detachment to use them right? Yes, so a patrol detachment of Ultramarines or Raven guard for example a librarian or lieutenant and 5 Intercessors or scouts would be enough if you haven't already used all your available detachments. Unless of course there is a marine unit the Blood Angels can't take you've always had your eye on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs_evo7 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 CENTURIONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 But we need a SM non BA detachment to use them right? Yes, so a patrol detachment of Ultramarines or Raven guard for example a librarian or lieutenant and 5 Intercessors or scouts would be enough if you haven't already used all your available detachments. Unless of course there is a marine unit the Blood Angels can't take you've always had your eye on. If I were to build such a list I'd probably go for 3x3 Raven Guard Eliminators. Free cover anywhere means free 1+ armor save and if you actually place them in terrain they get a -1 to-hit on top of it. ^^ Karhedron 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 19, 2019 Author Share Posted August 19, 2019 It specifically excludes aux support, sadly. But, that means that a patrol is maybe the cheapest and if we didnt want to break theme, then thats the best way to do it. I'm REALLY tempted now to rework my upcoming tournament list just to include this...but...the call to honour is still just too strong :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 i'll be sticking to pure blood angels and toughing it out. We've done it time and time again. May as well do it again! Morticon, Silas7, Spyros and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 In a casual setting, I'm betting most people would be fine letting the other marine chapters use the new strats. No reason to think they won't get all/most at some point. I think the only vanilla strats BA didn't copy were chapter master and tremor shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Luckily we can use this in a competitive setting too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 As usual folks, exercise caution here. Keep in mind that this may be an oversight - it'll be a shame if you spend money on a vanilla detachment only for it to become obsolete. sebs_evo7 and Panzer 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Fighting twice with Libby Dread has me really excited! (not only when he dies) Sidenote: Might of heroes no longer works on <Astartes> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slothysaur Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On the first page in the back section of C:SM there is a blurb about how everything in that section (which includes the strategems) is only available to units specifically in C:SM. I'm sure someone else can word this better than me, but I saw a thread over in the Vanilla Marine forum about it and it does look like we won't be able to use the strats even though there is FAQ precedence and the keywords match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Unseen Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 On the first page in the back section of C:SM there is a blurb about how everything in that section (which includes the strategems) is only available to units specifically in C:SM. I'm sure someone else can word this better than me, but I saw a thread over in the Vanilla Marine forum about it and it does look like we won't be able to use the strats even though there is FAQ precedence and the keywords match. Would someone mind posting a quote/photo of that particle blurb? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) I could be wrong here, but i'm reading this as you cannot apply these rules when creating a BA detachment. I guess we will have to wait and see. Using strats to affect other sources have been acceped by TOs and GW for quite a while now. Either the FAQ will clarify this, or the TOs will rule on it. I will cautiosly keep building lists with the assumption i can. Edited August 22, 2019 by Remtek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnorriSnorrison Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I could be wrong here, but i'm reading this as you cannot apply these rules when creating a BA detachment. I guess we will have to wait and see. Using strats to affect other sources have been acceped by TOs and GW for quite a while now. Either the FAQ will clarify this, or the TOs will rule on it. I will cautiosly keep building lists with the assumption i can. Yeah you’re not allowed to use C:SM stratagems with a C:BA detachment, but as per FAQ, an allied C:SM detachment would give you access to the stratagems and you could use them in all units with the appropriate keyword. Remtek and Morticon 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remtek Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Chaos Space Marines have the same paragraph. But they allow Death Guard strats to overlap, i would not be too worried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 I believe that specifically refers to detachments? Id have to see the layout, to be honest. I could be wrong here, but i'm reading this as you cannot apply these rules when creating a BA detachment. I guess we will have to wait and see. Using strats to affect other sources have been acceped by TOs and GW for quite a while now. Either the FAQ will clarify this, or the TOs will rule on it. I will cautiosly keep building lists with the assumption i can. Yeah you’re not allowed to use C:SM stratagems with a C:BA detachment, but as per FAQ, an allied C:SM detachment would give you access to the stratagems and you could use them in all units with the appropriate keyword. This. Well, said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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