Iron Hands StormTalon/Hawk?

[Rodrick]

any thoughts?, besides dreadnoughts and tanks, obvious winners.

 

  stormtalon/stormhawks seems a lot better with CT + doctrines, mobility and resilience .

[Iron Father Ferrum]

I have two Talons and a Hawk, and my main concern is that our durability buffs really shine with models that are inherently tough already. The Stormhawk is at least T7, but Talons are only T6 so most common anti-aircraft guns (S7, like the Icarus storm cannon frex) are wounding on 3+'s and can either ignore or counter the Supersonic targeting penalty.

 

I'm going to keeping my aircraft on the shelf for now and test out majority T8 vehicles like LRs, Vindicators, and Ironclads.

[Father Mehman]

I've got a Stormhawk ready to be built for either the Grey Knights or Iron Hands. (A Grey Knights Stormhawk would look neat to me, but that's another discussion.) I am liking the Chapter synergy with the Stormhawk, but, like Ferrum, I'll probably leave the air support on the shelf for now until I can figure out exactly what the birds can do.

[RandomMarine]

I'm eyeing up a xiphon currently seems potentially devastating on turn 1/2 if you make it fire twice via strats

[momerathe]

I'd like to give my Stormtalon another spin, though I want to see what's in our supplement first. Shooting at ground targets at 2+ with the stratagem will continue to be as good as it always was, and you can occasionally get firing angles on a backfield character or artillery unit. T6 is sad though.

 

I had an idea ages ago for a themed air-assault list with flyers, 3x6 inceptors, and minimum scouts (they're the guys who call in the airstrike - i guess they'd be infiltrators now). It would be nice if it were good :)

[MajorNese]

I'm pretty likely to try dual Stormtalon in a few months - my IH successor only has Mechanicum models for vehicles (and IH contemptors if I can get some), and I see nothing better fitting the two Vultarax than the Stormtalon rules/model.

 

So far, the rules are improved in some regard - devastator doctrine will improve the assault cannons significantly, FnP and almost no degrading profile will mean they get to do their job slightly longer, and the points were reduced slightly for some loadouts. It relies on the supplement if there's a way to build a list from that, but maybe we'll see that at the end of the year...

[Rodrick]

besides the increased durability , stormtalons are a bit cheaper and a source of dual assault cannons , 12 f6 ap-1(-1) D1    , 

 

but yeah T6 vs new icarus weapons that deal D2 now sucks

[Rodrick]

well, seems that stornhawks and stormtalons are crazy good now.  

[faithonwings]

Does the new relic work with flyers? I mean, can I park the base of a flyer within "3 of a model wearing the new relic and will it profit from the -1 to damage? 

 

It would be good for a turn 1 if not going first.

[9x19 Parabellum]

yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic.

Edited September 10, 2019 by 9x19 Parabellum

[Iron Father Ferrum]

Should work, yeah. Not a terrible idea at all.

[ERJAK]

Triple stormtalon, 9 land speeders, 6 land speeder storms with whatever flavor of scout you prefer.

 

Ironhands gotta go FAST.

[faithonwings]

I own one stormhawk, I always felt it underpreform. It has to move so always hit's on 4's at best. The extra AP on first turn nice and I have played is as an ultramarines succesor, ignoring the movement penalty is always nice (at the cost of the extra AP) but still it felt like mediocre to me.

 

With these chapter tactics it feels like I don't have to choose. Having 18 S5-6 shots on BS3+ rerolling 1's and AP-2 (plus some random stuff like extra -1 to get hit vs FLY units and +1 to hit vs FLY units and some S7 shot that never seem to hit) all for 159 points. 

 

I was looking into allternative Heavy weapons agains anti infantry. Point for point the stormhawk does seem like one of the better options to kill chaff. Better than TFC (stratagem nog included) and Quad Rappier Carriers.

yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic.

 do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3"

[TrawlingCleaner]

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yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic.

do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3"

As I understand bit aura is and charges are measured to base and shooting is measured to model

[MajorNese]

Everything except for LoS is measured from the base. Exceptions have a special rule that explicitly says to measure from the model's hull - see the Repulsor's "Hover Tank" rule.

[Ishagu]

Hawk is a massive winner with Iron Hands. A no brainer, give it all the best guns. It maintains efficiency and is highly accurate.

[9x19 Parabellum]

I own one stormhawk, I always felt it underpreform. It has to move so always hit's on 4's at best. The extra AP on first turn nice and I have played is as an ultramarines succesor, ignoring the movement penalty is always nice (at the cost of the extra AP) but still it felt like mediocre to me.

 

With these chapter tactics it feels like I don't have to choose. Having 18 S5-6 shots on BS3+ rerolling 1's and AP-2 (plus some random stuff like extra -1 to get hit vs FLY units and +1 to hit vs FLY units and some S7 shot that never seem to hit) all for 159 points. 

 

I was looking into allternative Heavy weapons agains anti infantry. Point for point the stormhawk does seem like one of the better options to kill chaff. Better than TFC (stratagem nog included) and Quad Rappier Carriers.

yes, why wouldn't it? It's a flyer vehicle, and it's within 3" of the model carrying the relic.

 do you measure the model to the hull of the flyer or just the base (or both) and never seem to rember. because if it is just the hull than it is not within 3"

 

You always measure distances to and from the base, unless the model has no base, in which case it is measured to the hull.  (but our flyers have a base)

Exceptions are specifically pointed out for some specific models to measure to and from the hull, despite having a base (like the Repulsor...probably because the base is smaller than the actual footprint of the hull and trying to get your fat fingers and measuring tape in there would risk knocking models about)

 

EDIT: Doh, Nese beat me to it.

Edited September 11, 2019 by 9x19 Parabellum