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Oh yeah, they did do that. I completely forgot about that (and the Dark Angels peacing out from a battle to go hunt them down).
Still, I think the current narrative favors Russ over the Lion, specially with Sortiarius and/or Prospero being a main location. But it's also very early and besides rumours and code-digging, we're pretty much in the dark, so for all we know, next week the signs might point towards a different Primarch.
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They would never be so stupid to make a loyalist first founding fall to chaos, and you can't come back from being Chaos on the traitor side.
And what if they were never truly Chaos in the first place?
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They do that, I'm gonna be Alpharius just because if they return to the Loyalist fold, I'll be able to just repaint my stuff.
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Edited by Robbienw, 19 September 2019 - 04:18 PM.
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The wording the turned into One primarch becomes traitor and one becomes loyal is very different.
They Said that if/when primarchs return, they might not necessarily return as part of (or leading, cant remember exact wording.) their original legion/faction.
Nothing more nothing less as far as I remember.
In other words;
Russ could return as part of a brand new wulfen brotherhood faction.
Fulgrim could return as a leader for a slaanesh daemon army, no emperors children in sight.
Dorn could return and decide to join the Black templars instead of the IF
that kind of stuff.
Edit; I also think it wasnt said as if they had a specific plan with it, but more likely that they dont want to paint themselves in a corner either. It could also be meant as a more physical thing, like was the case with Guilleman... it was just the primarch model, not an ultramarine codex or special ultramarine release wave.
Edited by TheMawr, 19 September 2019 - 05:20 PM.
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Fulgrim could return as a leader for a slaanesh daemon army, no emperors children in sight.
That'd be pretty silly, considering Gathering Storm mentions the Emperor's Children with Lucius and Fulgrim together in a planet invasion.
But I could see someone like Corax returning but not leading the Raven Guard, since he's still on a mission to kill the Traitor Primarchs, and particularly Lorgar.
Edited by DeadFingers, 19 September 2019 - 05:27 PM.
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In short a Russ that would admit he was wrong ? Nah, sorry, don't see that happening.As much as the heretic in me is begging me not to do so, I disagree. If properly handled, Russ might be one of the most interesting Primarchs to return. No longer the Russ that left, but a wiser and somber Wolf King, battered by his time in the Warp, but still the fierce warrior. A Russ that no longer wants to kill Magnus for the Imperium or for revenge, but because he understands now that both him and the Crimson King were manipulated, and feels that he needs to end the creature that was once his brother, because he feels partially responsible for his fate. An Odin-like Russ, the Wanderer, who's faced his demons and returns ready to play his part in Ragnarok.
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Won't happen. They are not going to bring Primarchs back as leaders of a different faction, and no factions will switch sides (which was a fundamental part of that rumour...); that entire rumour is nonsense and has nothing to with the Psychic Awakening announcement. Why people ascribe any kind of authenticity to such blatant theorycrafting (look at the original source of the rumours, and the other claims that accompanied it) is beyond me. Can we not do this again please? 
Edited by Marshal Loss, 19 September 2019 - 05:59 PM.
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Fulgrim could return as a leader for a slaanesh daemon army, no emperors children in sight.
That'd be pretty silly, considering Gathering Storm mentions the Emperor's Children with Lucius and Fulgrim together in a planet invasion.
But I could see someone like Corax returning but not leading the Raven Guard, since he's still on a mission to kill the Traitor Primarchs, and particularly Lorgar.
It wasnt meant as speculation, just as an example. I should have used Angron were it makes more sense in the fluff as I think he is mostly mentioned working with daemons instead of CSM ( I think a group of bloodthirsters especially.)
As far as my speculation on what they said goes, I actually think that any and all returning primarch will have the keyword of his legion when it comes to rules, but I think at the time they made the statement keywords werent yet a 40k thing.
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It wasnt meant as speculation, just as an example. I should have used Angron were it makes more sense in the fluff as I think he is mostly mentioned working with daemons instead of CSM ( I think a group of bloodthirsters especially.)
As far as my speculation on what they said goes, I actually think that any and all returning primarch will have the keyword of his legion when it comes to rules, but I think at the time they made the statement keywords werent yet a 40k thing.
1. Angron has an honour guard of Bloodthirsters, which he was described as having while leading 50,000 World Eaters. So it would not be accurate to say that he is mostly mentioned as working with daemons. They are not going to bring back the Primarch of the World Eaters without the World Eaters.
2. Not mocking you, but do you honestly even remember exactly what these rumours said, and when they first came about? I'm willing to bet you don't. That's the big problem with that particular set of rumours, and why I rail against it so much: because over the last 3 years it has been distorted beyond reason from something that didn't even seem realistic to begin with.
Let's just stick to PA for now. Primarch speculation can be fun but it really doesn't have a whole lot to do with PA at this stage. If/when Valrak returns with something more than an allusion they can take their place here.
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Edited by Mr4Minutes, 19 September 2019 - 06:19 PM.
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Your opinion is important, and someone posting here probably does care what you think. You should go tell them. Remember that it really hurts to come up with an idea you care about and have no one else care. Go care about something and tell them what you think. Now. Think of what it would have meant to you when you were young.
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=][= And with that, let's keep the Primarch talk out of here until there is solid information. There are plenty of speculation threads for such discussion. =][=
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Or it’s Jain Zar the character in the title banner for ‘SEE THE MODEL MONDAY’
I see both of them in the title banner.
Im hoping for Jain Zar, but on the other hand.. it does sound as if we dont have to wait too long for it all.
These are really must-buys for me, and I cant wait 
I hope both Incubi and Howling banshees have Ynnari specific variants like the exarch, but otherwise now they are in plastic conversion will be doable.
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So are we thinking each faction will get atleast a character and others getting an updated unit or two?
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"Each faction" sounds a lot. I'd prefer thinking "each faction involved" à la Vigilus, where only several factions got rules, formations, and even fewer got new minis.
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