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TL;DR You are cheating if you use this Stratagem more than once. Don't let people cheat you.

 

Easiest examples are Exemplar of the Chapter and all the equivalent stratagems. Same wording, but they actually have the 'once per battle limitation' written in.

 

 

 

Ah but you can’t use a stratagem twice in the same phase.

 

You can before the battle. Which is how you get multiple Veteran Intercessor squads.


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I wonder really how far it will go. Will we see full blow 9 dread lists (3 vens, 3 normal and 3 ironclads) or will it be a 6 dread roll out? I mean the 9 dread roll out will likely not be the way, the 6 dread leaves you with 7CP.

 

Heck, throw in a redemptor or 2 and just have the pitstop screw follow them around since the others shouldn't need it much until later. And no, don't character the redemptors because they can't hide with character rule.


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Anyone knows if the infiltrate stratagem has been modified?

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The point of March of the Ancients saying it’s used after selecting your Warlord is so you can’t use it to make a Dreadnought a Character and then choose it as your Warlord. That’s it.

This.

Just like Strike from the Shadows, you can use it as many times as you have CP to do it.

Have 6 Dreadnoughts in your list? If you want to spend 2/3rds of your CP before the battle starts they can all be characters.

It only specifies that it has to be after Warlord choice so you can't make a dreadnought a character and the Warlord, and thereby make it nearly impossible for your opponent to claim Slay the Warlord. GW did that on purpose because they know very well how tough they just made Iron Hands dreadnoughts.

Every pre-battle Strategem that can only be used once specifically states that in the wording.

If it does not say so, it can be used multiple times.

Edited by Claws and Effect, 15 September 2019 - 12:00 AM.

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Charactering a Redemptor (or Leviathan or Deredo) does allow it to be given a Warlord Trait via Hero of the Chapter and be shielded by Cogitated Martydom, plus the extra Attack doesn’t suck for it. I’m not saying you should go out and make every Redemptor a Character, but there is utility to the Stratagem beyond just making something untargettable.

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Meh if character dreads were going to be great we’d have seen more chaplain dreads with twin las.

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Well. Now that Chappy dreads have prayers.... Also keep in mind this in the context of IH and all their new bonuses.

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Raven Guard Centurions are one of the best units in the codex now.

Teleporting them in literally fixes any problem they have.

you know....

Just throw a giant jet pack on them and they would be rad flying little baby knights

Would be a pretty easy conversion with the inceptor jump packs

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To all of you arguing about using strategems mulpitple times "before the battle"
Yes, you can. Because there's this https://sun9-44.user...aEIu0o7JYhY.jpg
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And this in the latest faq to be 100% clear
Q: Is the Deployment step of a mission considered to be a ‘phase’
for the purposes of rules?
A: No.

 


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Raven Guard Centurions are one of the best units in the codex now.

Teleporting them in literally fixes any problem they have.

you know....

 

Just throw a giant jet pack on them and they would be rad flying little baby knights

 

 

*GW employee furiously takes notes*

 

Shrike being 130 has gone under the radar I think. I know Feirros is very under-costed but I was expecting Shrike to be at least 150.


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Raven Guard Centurions are one of the best units in the codex now.

Teleporting them in literally fixes any problem they have.

you know....

 

Just throw a giant jet pack on them and they would be rad flying little baby knights

 

 

*GW employee furiously takes notes*

 

Shrike being 130 has gone under the radar I think. I know Feirros is very under-costed but I was expecting Shrike to be at least 150.

 

For sure. Crossing the Rubicon Primaris gives you a a discount apparently.


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I believe he is saying that B must come after A, and not after C. Nor can B happen after B, but must only be after A


Yes, this. Thank you.
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I believe he is saying that B must come after A, and not after C. Nor can B happen after B, but must only be after A

Yes, this. Thank you.

However by this logic you could not use Hero of the Chapter, or any of the other several strats that go after warlord selection, and this strat which I am certain is not the case. Based on your logic you could only ever use 1 of these stratagems, period as they are all a "B" in this scenario. I highly doubt that is the intent of any of these stratagems and it is certainly not CHEATING or WAAC to read it that way.
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I believe he is saying that B must come after A, and not after C. Nor can B happen after B, but must only be after A

Yes, this. Thank you.
However by this logic you could not use Hero of the Chapter, or any of the other several strats that go after warlord selection, and this strat which I am certain is not the case. Based on your logic you could only ever use 1 of these stratagems, period as they are all a "B" in this scenario. I highly doubt that is the intent of any of these stratagems and it is certainly not CHEATING or WAAC to read it that way.

Okay, I'm convinced. It is not cheating.

You can currently make an army of character dreads.

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Until it gets FAQed.

On the point cost of characters. After the last CA Shrike was stupid overcosted compared to the other Marine characters. His current bump seems about right to me considering the shenanigans he pull off. I’m dissappointed we couldn’t get FW characters Lias and Tyberos but I think we can get a decent version of them out of the book with all the new bobs and bits :) Good book
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Until it gets FAQed.


I'll need to face it first before I agree with that being necessary. Lots of stuff can be done with this army with CP, but where will all that CP come from? More troops for battalions means less toys, but more toys in comparison means less screens.
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Raven Guard Centurions are one of the best units in the codex now.

Teleporting them in literally fixes any problem they have.

you know....

Just throw a giant jet pack on them and they would be rad flying little baby knights

*GW employee furiously takes notes*

Shrike being 130 has gone under the radar I think. I know Feirros is very under-costed but I was expecting Shrike to be at least 150.

Poor Haarken at 115. The Worldclaimer will definitely not claim any world that Shrike is on...

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Considering that Shrike can get whipped easily by a Smash Captain which are DIRT CHEAP compared to other HQ's, if anything 130 point is too expensive given his relative lack of utility outside of buffing Vanguard Vet suicide squads.


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Until it gets FAQed.


I'll need to face it first before I agree with that being necessary. Lots of stuff can be done with this army with CP, but where will all that CP come from? More troops for battalions means less toys, but more toys in comparison means less screens.

 

 

^This^

 

Absolutely the thought that has been on my mind since listening to the Supplement reviews. All those stratagems my Raven Guard have are sweet as potato pie, but without enough CP to fuel them, the combos are going to have to be very carefully planned out - hopefully without too many points of dysfunction, or you'll need to a deep knowledge of how to apply them at just the right moments.

 

Less of an issue for Firstborn or Scout  fueled CP generation but then you miss out on the benefits these books have that can take simple Troop Intercessors and make them perform at an Elite level.


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With 24 pages here,  I couldnt find what  I was looking for- is there a summary of the strats for each of these guys? 


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Is everyone taking crazy pills now? Shrike has a lack of utility?
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*Sigh* One guy says Shrike lacks utility because he probably won't beat a Smash Captain, and now "everyone" says Shrike lacks utility. I think most think he came out of this pretty decent, but he ain't no Iron Father.


Edited by Aztek, 16 September 2019 - 02:24 AM.


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With 24 pages here, I couldnt find what I was looking for- is there a summary of the strats for each of these guys?


Search 4chan.
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With 24 pages here, I couldnt find what I was looking for- is there a summary of the strats for each of these guys?


Search 4chan.

 

 

doesnt appear to be there yet


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With 24 pages here, I couldnt find what I was looking for- is there a summary of the strats for each of these guys?


Search 4chan.

 

 

doesnt appear to be there yet

 

https://1d4chan.org/...8E)#Raven_Guard

https://1d4chan.org/...(8E)#Iron_Hands


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