Karhedron Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 No reason for us to get vanilla if they've made us ait tis long surely wed have had the same from the beginning...……. We used the same logic when our existing codex came out to assume that we would get something better and more distinctive than we actually did. I would be a bit surprised if we do not get the standard SM Doctrines. If we don't, I wouldn't be surprised if we get something that is actually a bit weaker. Watcher 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Even if we do get standard doctrines imo right out of the box it’s weaker since we missed the release. That’s really my only fear is a repeat of last codex which was a case of the delayed release where the creep sunk us before we even got it. Anything is better than nothing though so that’s how I’m choosing to look at it! NightHowler and Watcher 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 BA got the standard regular vanilla doctrines and then their assault doctrine bonus on top of it Our our doctrines would be awesome, and/or znything that let us skip forward to get to our inevitable assault/equivalent bonus, but I wouldnt hold my breath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Pretty excited that the Dark angel character kit comes with alternate bits so you can make a generic character. I hope ours is like that if we get one. PeteySödes and Dark Shepherd 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Its for sure a promising trend (backtrack? :D) ! Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'm hoping we get something for the Tactical doctrine and not assault. We already have so many extra attack buffs we can give, I would like to see an increase in our short range lethality akin to the books. Either a better way to get into combat or double rapid fire (Rapid Fire 1 to 2) if in 1/4 range of the enemy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune Priest Jbickb Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I'm hoping we get something for the Tactical doctrine and not assault. We already have so many extra attack buffs we can give, I would like to see an increase in our short range lethality akin to the books. Either a better way to get into combat or double rapid fire (Rapid Fire 1 to 2) if in 1/4 range of the enemy I agree, plus I think we are more a mid range army then pure rush your face assault army. Shooter up to soften charge in to finish. A cool idea I had the other day for the tactical doctrine that is if you charge a unit you shot this turn, then +3 charge distance. Sounds solid and unique to me. Wolf Guard Dan 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 With the reveal of Lazarus being dual kit I do wonder if that will happen for us? Ragnar/Generic Wolf Lord or it could be just a one off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 Given the prior reaction to mono builds and way most Sigmar/daemon kits are Id say this will be the new normal, though we were first with Bjorn :) The dream is multi character on Thunderwolf kit Re doctrines given how GW see us lore and marketing wise I really cant see us getting anything other than Assault bonus (like BA) Brother Captain Arkley 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 (edited) With the reveal of Lazarus being dual kit I do wonder if that will happen for us? Ragnar/Generic Wolf Lord or it could be just a one off? i actually don't think Lazarus was intended to be a character and he was a generic kit that was re-purposed for GW's storytelling needs. The implication of that is I think GW has more than one character kit waiting for each of the set factions... 1. a named special character, like Mephiston, Calgar, etc 2. generic Primaris Captain kit with options, like this Lazarus/Master here. The implication for us, I think, is we'll get a character update like Ragnar and later their will be a release of a generic Primaris Wolf Lord kit. We all know how much GW likes to keep single character models in their back pocket for random releases. Given the prior reaction to mono builds and way most Sigmar/daemon kits are Id say this will be the new normal, though we were first with Bjorn The dream is multi character on Thunderwolf kit Re doctrines given how GW see us lore and marketing wise I really cant see us getting anything other than Assault bonus (like BA) yeah I think this is wishful thinking more than anything. Given the prior reaction to mono builds and way most Sigmar/daemon kits are Id say this will be the new normal, though we were first with Bjorn The dream is multi character on Thunderwolf kit Re doctrines given how GW see us lore and marketing wise I really cant see us getting anything other than Assault bonus (like BA) Edited January 2, 2020 by Wispy Brother Captain Arkley 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I still expect nothing but rules. I won't let myself get to hyped up Brother Captain Arkley and Bryan Blaire 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I still expect nothing but rules. I won't let myself get to hyped up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 I still expect nothing but rules. I won't let myself get to hyped up *Sad dog noises* PeteySödes and Brother Captain Arkley 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tangoalphatwo Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Did Valrak mention a Ragnar sprue on his new video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Even if we do get standard doctrines imo right out of the box it’s weaker since we missed the release. That’s really my only fear is a repeat of last codex which was a case of the delayed release where the creep sunk us before we even got it. Anything is better than nothing though so that’s how I’m choosing to look at it! There hasn't been a release to change the meta since marines came out. And they haven't really been nerfed. The BA release has gotten good reviews from what I've heard. So I am not sure we have entirely missed the train. I don't think we will be as powerful as either Marines or BA. We need the movement shenanigans that make their best units effective. No, Cunning of the Wolf is not it, fam. But I think we will be playable competitively with the new stuff. Unless the Sisters release turns everything upside down. I am hoping we get Primaris Ragnar. Or at least a named-characted in Primaris. I feel a bit bad for DA got a nobody as their release. They have so many characters that could have used the upgrade/model. PeteySödes 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteySödes Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Even without it though we enter the space without the golden few weeks of people not knowing how to handle us. Let me be sad about being bad for LVO dang you! ;) NightHowler 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto ripped claw Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) Primaris Intercessor Wolf Guard could be good if theyre created by a strategem, otherwise lack of cc weapons holds them back, though the sergeant with power fist would be obscene Primaris Wolf Guard Pack leaders for select units would be a tonne of fun Doctrine wise, doubt we'll get same one as BA but it will definitely be in assault doctrine (especially if we get the same vanilla doctrines). All units get death frenzy if assault doctrine is active? If your using power fists on a sw out of choice your doing sommit wrong. wolf claws axes etc are always the way ahead. if theyre going to make them wolfy theyd need to open up the use of different gear. Edited January 3, 2020 by Sarto ripped claw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Primaris Intercessor Wolf Guard could be good if theyre created by a strategem, otherwise lack of cc weapons holds them back, though the sergeant with power fist would be obscene Primaris Wolf Guard Pack leaders for select units would be a tonne of fun Doctrine wise, doubt we'll get same one as BA but it will definitely be in assault doctrine (especially if we get the same vanilla doctrines). All units get death frenzy if assault doctrine is active? If your using power fists on a sw out of choice your doing sommit wrong. wolf claws axes etc are always the way ahead. if theyre going to make them wolfy theyd need to open up the use of different gear. Intercessor sergeants cant take axes or wolf claws. Off chance it happens that dude can be Lone Wolfed hes a beast. If you mean effect on tabletop then power fists are great for us, we dont suffer the penalty to hit the vast majority of the time, amd statistically they deal more damage. If you mean lorewise punching foes in the face fits fine. Plus its easy to make wolfy power fists by snipping off the blades, or do what I do and leave stubs as knuckle dusters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karhedron Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Fists are great for wolves as they are pretty decent value of 9 points and our +1 to-Hit cancels out the penalty in the first round. Add in Shock Assault and an Intercessor pack gets 4 attacks on the charge hitting on 3s. That is the same as SM Captains got prior to their new codex. Dark Shepherd 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Looks like theyre previewing PA5 tomorrow so we could be getting Saga of the Beast sooner than expected or the very start of March Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 It's weird because it seems like they skipped PA4, unless I missed the previews for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) It's weird because it seems like they skipped PA4, unless I missed the previews for it?They just skipped the rules previews I think and just went with the Christmas Day big reveal for it Did one of the other PA books get little in the way of previews or am I remembering that wrong *And Valrak says in a vid a Ragnar sprue has been spotted* Edited January 3, 2020 by Dark Shepherd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jorin Helm-splitter Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 (edited) They preview models first then the week before it goes on preorder the rules. So this normal Edited January 3, 2020 by Black_Star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saint Ragnar Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Do we have a release date for PA4? I can't remember seeing one but given we are seeing a PA5 preview it must be soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 So pre order Jan 11th for PA4 and then Jan 25th or Feb 2nd for PA5? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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