The measuring base-to-base part might be coming from the shooting rules, since that uses a direct measurement?
This may be something that you'll have to clear up with your group, since we're moving away from official rules questions...
Ive been playing since 3rd edition and a large portion of the local gaming group has as well (some from rogue trader) and it doesent help that the book doesent say how you measure distance in this edition it just says if something is within 12 inches you can decalre a charge to it. But under the 'move horizontal then vertical distances' model something could be within 12 inches and outside of your charge range..... Which is odd, to say the least.
Could someone please cite what part of the rules say that you effectivly no longer measure b2b but have to measure up, down and walk around things? Im not trying to be coy or anything.... Ive re-read the whole thing a few times now and it seems like they are contradicting themselves and their clarification seems to contradict the actual rulechange.
This is confusing me to all hell. Maybe because my native tongue isent English or something but this just whole bit just confuses me.
I've quoted the relevant FAQ entry already. You simply don't ignore terrain in the charge phase anymore so you have to move like any other model without FLY. There is no text passage that says "you don't measure b2b" because that's not a thing in the basic rules in the first place. There would have to be a rule that allows you to do so, not a rule that forbids you to do so.
If you dont bloody measure base to base (pardon my french) then how do you meassure distance? Really? You have always meassure distances base to base or base to hull etc. How else would you meassure it?
There is nothing in the rules about needing a ladder to climb to higher floors.
It is completely allowed to charge through walls of ruins and you don't need to be able to see a unit to charge it. INFANTRY units can move directly through ruins and their walls without having to go around. Infantry with jump packs still follow these rules. They don't ignore the terrain, but can still move through ruins because they are infantry. But they have to take into account any vertical distance they are charging in/through the ruins.
you are correct on that. I had missed that part. My bad I skipped over it after I had already made my last reply.
I will take this up at my local games store. Im not a tourney player anyway so it only really matters how they and the local players work it out. Even if id prefer to know how to do it properly.... But way I see it the main rules book is written down terribly poorly. Alot of things are unclear, rules are all over the place. some exceptions or special cases are in completly random parts of the book.... And the large number of faq's/erratas that have changed portions of it havent helped either
Cheers for the help guys but im still completly lost on this as every anwser just gives me more questions
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