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To sum things up, we got 3 pages about sexuality, politics and such.

Quite surprised that we don't have the regular spoiler based discussion which makes me questioning if this one's worth it for the sake of the story itself, what it adds to the greatest story, etc.

I'm proud that the current discussion ran smoothly and civilized until now.

I got the impression that this can continue in a seperate thread. In here, we should return to the novel itself.
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It’s totally worth reading.

I’m not sure if I’m the only person in the previous three pages of talk to have actually read the book, but I haven’t included any spoilers due to a combination of trying to discuss books the abstract and avoid revealing plot points and being flummoxed by spoiler tags.
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It’s totally worth reading.

I’m not sure if I’m the only person in the previous three pages of talk to have actually read the book, but I haven’t included any spoilers due to a combination of trying to discuss books the abstract and avoid revealing plot points and being flummoxed by spoiler tags.

Havent read the book but I have been making an effort to milk you for the information. :D

 

To build on the Highlord angle, is it clarified how the houses rank themselves? Any particular titles and such. 



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A bit of an aside...I'd love to read a novel about a society that follows Chaos but whose citizens are arguably better off than average Imperial citizens.

 

I think that's every world the Death Guard visit these days. If you're not sure about the quality of life improvements, you should give the spores a little more time to settle in. msn-wink.gif

 

Regarding the novel (sorry if this was already addressed and I missed it) how similar is the prose here to Dark Run from a few years ago, if anyone's read both? I'm curious about a navigator-centric tale, but I really didn't enjoy the writing there. Sometimes you just bounce off an author's style.


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A bit of an aside...I'd love to read a novel about a society that follows Chaos but whose citizens are arguably better off than average Imperial citizens.

 

I think that's every world the Death Guard visit these days. If you're not sure about the quality of life improvements, you should give the spores a little more time to settle in. msn-wink.gif

 

Regarding the novel (sorry if this was already addressed and I missed it) how similar is the prose here to Dark Run from a few years ago, if anyone's read both? I'm curious about a navigator-centric tale, but I really didn't enjoy the writing there. Sometimes you just bounce off an author's style.

 

Thats me with a few writers. Couldnt tell you why but with some books (I listen more than read) the style gives me fierce and sudden headaches.

 

Couldnt finish Crimson King (and McNeil in general) and I actually felt sick with Solar War, this authors triggers a similar reaction in me. Sort of why I am just asking the OP because I am dubious I could actually get through the book.



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What was so bad about Solar War?

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What was so bad about Solar War?

Nothing in the writing (and most of my issues feel more to do with BL than anything French did) and French is one of my favourite BL writers. 

 

I was being literal about style, some Audiobooks just give me very strong headaches. I have no idea why, I just can't get through some of them.



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Probably because for like six chapters they didn’t even try not to make Uranus sound like it was a joke.

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If you’ve read any of Mike Brooks’ Keiko books, you’ll be familiar with his authorial voice, it certainly is by the same writer- but those books feel to me like they could quite easily slot into the 40k universe, so it’s no bad thing. He writes dialogue well, and it’s nicely paced and plotted. The characters are well-rounded with plausible motivations, and the lead is likeable without actually being that nice. It does perhaps get a little silly towards the end- to be honest I’d have been more than happy if the book had just focused on the inter-house machinations, but I can see why the narrative went the way that it did.


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If you’ve read any of Mike Brooks’ Keiko books, you’ll be familiar with his authorial voice, it certainly is by the same writer- but those books feel to me like they could quite easily slot into the 40k universe, so it’s no bad thing. He writes dialogue well, and it’s nicely paced and plotted. The characters are well-rounded with plausible motivations, and the lead is likeable without actually being that nice. It does perhaps get a little silly towards the end- to be honest I’d have been more than happy if the book had just focused on the inter-house machinations, but I can see why the narrative went the way that it did.

 

Just my two cents but without giving the ending away i have to agree (I picked up what happened on another site).

 

For my money there is an irksome need at times in BL to jam in the presence of another faction in a book which is frankly best left internal. Sort of how alot of really good political dramas in the setting or exploration books have big action scenes crammed in that feel almost jarring compared to the rest of the book.

 

Unremembered EmpireFulgrim: The Palatine PhoenixBlack LegionEmperor's Gift, Praetorian of Dorn and the Vaults of Terra are just some examples I can think of where I almost audibly groaned when I got to the action scenes. Not that they were bad by any means but they did feel like they detracted from the over all book and interrupted the worldbuilding and character interactions that really made the book.

 

The antagonist and last bits of Rites by my understanding fall victim to this same habit, which sort of leaves me wondering if Brooks was mandated to put them in. He himself is honest iirc about not really being that into action scenes despite his comfort with them and when I heard about it I was really confused by its presence.


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At the risk of going off-topic, Vaults of Terra works, in that it brings it in to a much larger intrigue, and looks to be being set up to resolve a previously-mentioned plot-hook in the previous rulebook that has been left unresolved as of yet.


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Finally got my copy and started reading it. I'm one third in and I haven't noticed a single "controversial" thing. I have mentioned it before, I'm not a big fan of Brooks' writing and my opinion hasn't changed. The book is alright, the Chetta's part is interesting and I like what Brooks came up with lore-wise about Navigators. Radimir's part is a weak part, at least for me and for now. We'll see how the plot is going to progress further on.



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B&C making a mountain out of a molehill?

 

Preposterous.


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