Helbrecht possible death

[Sete]

Hi yall, welcome to the conversation corner.

 

So do you guys remember that dude that dropped that random bomb saying helbrecth was killed and Crusade fleets were going to terra to choose a new high marshall and what not?

 

Yeah im starting to believe it.

 

Honeslty? Im gonna be hella mad if they just drop him dead like that off screen.

[Link2edition]

I never saw the original rumor but we will see what they do with him.

Crunch wise it shouldn't matter much. The Cadians lost Creed and Kell in rising storm and they are both still in the codex.

[Spinsanity]

What if the reason Ghaz is facing a Wolf instead of a Templar is because he dies facing his nemesis at the onset of Psychic Awakening X (2?)

 

At least he’d have died to a worthy opponent...

 

+ Edit: Maybe the Templars then take a page from the Wolves’ playbook and get a brand spanking new Character Dread too?

Edited September 12, 2019 by Spinsanity

[Marshal Reinhard]

I wouldn't mind Helbrecht biting the dust if we were also guaranteed a replacement character. Sadly there's no such guarantee.

 

That said, didn't that 'rumor' also have a bunch of inane nonsense posted along it, or am I thinking of something else?

[redmapa]

Dread-Brecht would be sick as heck, if thats the direction they are going then I dont mind BUT if they kill Helbrecht while all the 600+ year old UM are still kicking then I think thats a mistake (if they dont put him in a dread). Helbrecht is relatively young and his story has been a crucial part of not only our Chapter but Armageddon and that is a big part of 40k's lore so just getting rid of him seems like not such a good idea. He could have a good end but GW doesnt have to kill him if they dont want him to have a new model, they could just finish his story with Ghaz and give us a model for a new Marshall and a new story, that would suck less in my opinion.

 

Im all for a Dread character, put him in the fabled Ironclad dread thats supposed to be the oldest dread the BT have.

[Marshal Reinhard]

Dredding characters seems to exceedingly underused. The 200 year gap that came about with 8th edition practically begs for it, Helbrecht or otherwise.

[Link2edition]

If they do that, I will be buying a dreadnought drop pod. I would actually prefer they do that instead of making him Primaris. I don't use many primaris units because they can't use pods. Thunder-fires can't use them anymore either.

You spend a little too much time with the mechanicus, and suddenly you are just too good to be fired at a planet from orbit in a metal box apparently.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Link2edition

[Smirnov]

Honestly, more named character turnover in general would be welcome. If you don't know 200 years passed (which I din't for example) you won't know the difference based on characters in rule books.

The downside with Helbrecht and Grimaldus is that there's no one to replace them

Edited September 12, 2019 by Smirnov

[Spinsanity]

Dante used to be ancient by Space Marine standards, having outlived almost everyone else in living memory, but now it seems everyone is living to a 1000+ years...

[Link2edition]

Come to think of it, GW should try what warmachine did.

You get new versions of characters every year or two, but you can field any version you want.

Example: I ran an army where the general was one of those characters heavily involved in the story. He ended up getting 3 versions to represent 3 different points in his military career, and they all play differently.

Pardon the aside.

[Acebaur]

I don't see them killing off Helbrecht at least not anytime soon.  Getting Primaris Helbrecht? yes that is a definite possibility, but it's unlikely that we are losing any characters anytime soon. 

 

Weirdly, since it's been 200ish years advanced in the timeline, literally none of the characters in the Guard book(or any other humans for that matter) should be alive. GW hasn't killed them off, so why would we expect a major SM character to die?

[Closet Skeleton]

He has barely any personality, being the third wheel between Yarrick and Ghaz isn't a real plotline. Does Ghaz even know who Helbrecht is?

 

Killing him off as fodder for a new Ghazkull model is fine by me. I can't stand chapters that are defined by forcing you to take a Special Character and I shelved my Black Templars due to them only really having over-priced Special Characters if they wanted some kind of close combat buff. Its not like he's Gabriel Seth, Farsight or Cypher who define their subfactions while actually being cool enough on their own, Helbrecht is just 'the boss Black Templar' in the way that Calgar is just the top Ultramarine except Calgar has the gravitas of being around since first ed.

[Link2edition]

I don't see them killing off Helbrecht at least not anytime soon.  Getting Primaris Helbrecht? yes that is a definite possibility, but it's unlikely that we are losing any characters anytime soon. 

 

Weirdly, since it's been 200ish years advanced in the timeline, literally none of the characters in the Guard book(or any other humans for that matter) should be alive. GW hasn't killed them off, so why would we expect a major SM character to die?

I have heard an explanation for this but not a good one, pardon me for forgetting the source.

 

Leaders tend to get access to better medical tech + augmentation than the average human, often resulting in unnaturally long life.

[Sete]

He has barely any personality, being the third wheel between Yarrick and Ghaz isn't a real plotline. Does Ghaz even know who Helbrecht is?

 

Killing him off as fodder for a new Ghazkull model is fine by me. I can't stand chapters that are defined by forcing you to take a Special Character and I shelved my Black Templars due to them only really having over-priced Special Characters if they wanted some kind of close combat buff. Its not like he's Gabriel Seth, Farsight or Cypher who define their subfactions while actually being cool enough on their own, Helbrecht is just 'the boss Black Templar' in the way that Calgar is just the top Ultramarine except Calgar has the gravitas of being around since first ed.

Guy Haley actually developed his personality a bit. If you can stomach the other crap.

[Link2edition]

 

Guy Haley actually developed his personality a bit. If you can stomach the other crap.

 

Skip Eternal Crusader

 

Read crusaders of dorn, specifically when he goes into a Gas Giant using terminator armor to kill aliens that tried to hide in the crushing pressure.

 

That was enough to make me like Helbrect.

[Marshal Vespasian]

I read eternal Crusader and wanted to stop reading crusaders of Dorn after that.

So the Rest is better? Is that from the ghoul Stars crusade? I'd be interested in that.

Edited September 12, 2019 by Marshal Vespasian

[Link2edition]

I read eternal Crusader and wanted to stop reading crusaders of Dorn after that.

So the Rest is better? Is that from the ghoul Stars crusade? I'd be interested in that.

Crusaders of dorn has some pretty badass stories in it. The Gas Giant one is my favorite though. I think it is part of the ghoul stars crusade. The last survivors hide IN a gas giant.

 

Helbrect is like "well there is xenos down there to be killed, get some heavy armor on, lets go boys"

Edited September 12, 2019 by Link2edition

[Marshal Vespasian]

All in all I always felt Helbrecht siffered when compared to grimaldus since the latter had a coming of age Story by one of BLs finest written about him. For stories about Helbrecht you habe to hunt.

[Sword Brother Adelard]

Avoid the one where he fights the Necrons and loses his arm. That one was awful.

[MarshalMittermeier]

Come to think of it, GW should try what warmachine did.

 

You get new versions of characters every year or two, but you can field any version you want.

 

Example: I ran an army where the general was one of those characters heavily involved in the story. He ended up getting 3 versions to represent 3 different points in his military career, and they all play differently.

 

Pardon the aside.

let me guess: you play Kreoss:) Templar everywhere?

 

in any case, there is a reason most ppl know grimaldus and not helbrecht. ppl will hate me, but helbrecht isn't a very interesting character. just "vanilla templar". i can tell you grimaldus' characteristics, but no characteristics of helbrecht's. nothing unique.

Edited September 12, 2019 by MarshalMittermeier

[Medjugorje]

He has barely any personality, being the third wheel between Yarrick and Ghaz isn't a real plotline. Does Ghaz even know who Helbrecht is?

 

Killing him off as fodder for a new Ghazkull model is fine by me. I can't stand chapters that are defined by forcing you to take a Special Character and I shelved my Black Templars due to them only really having over-priced Special Characters if they wanted some kind of close combat buff. Its not like he's Gabriel Seth, Farsight or Cypher who define their subfactions while actually being cool enough on their own, Helbrecht is just 'the boss Black Templar' in the way that Calgar is just the top Ultramarine except Calgar has the gravitas of being around since first ed.

 get out of my city

 

Helbrecht was the leader of the whole space marines fleet. And his flaggship is a gloriana class battleship... Dont think the ork wouldnt know him. Would be the same question about asking if ghaz knows Dante...

Edited September 12, 2019 by Medjugorje

[Medjugorje]

Avoid the one where he fights the Necrons and loses his arm. That one was awful.

The secound time he won... Is there a BL book so far?

[Marshal Valkenhayn]

I'm a fan of Helbrecht. The only reason anyone would say he lacks personality is because we have Grimaldus. But in truth, he has as much or more personality than any other number of space marine characters. On top of that, I feel he has an important place in the world narrative as a whole, being tied heavily to the stories of at least two named "villains."

 

Also, his name is epic. In certain cases space marine lore is shallow and lacking, so you have to go off of pure flare. Taking that into consideration, Helbrecht and Grimaldus have incredibly memorable and fitting names for the overall stylings of our chapter.

[Marshal Arthur]

I like Helbrecht. He’s a man who is still adjusting to his new post and struggling with self doubt. He’s hard on himself and won’t tolerate anything less than the possible best from himself. He has many great victories but also many failures, unlike some other named characters. I feel like he’s one of the more human of the named space marines and it would be a huge shame if they killed him off so haphazardly while leaving the Ultramarines with their over-abundance of named characters.

[Closet Skeleton]

But in truth, he has as much or more personality than any other number of space marine characters. On top of that, I feel he has an important place in the world narrative as a whole, being tied heavily to the stories of at least two named "villains."

 

When I say 'why keep him around when he doesn't have much of a personality' I'm not singling him out among Space Marine special characters. As someone who doesn't follow Black Library I'd say that it was the minority of special characters who were actually interesting.