Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Cawl's origins were explained in the novel, he was one of many vat grown Mechanicus children on Mars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burni Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just started reading and noticed the Overlord flyer is mentioned again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonreaper666 Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Cawl's origins were explained in the novel, he was one of many vat grown Mechanicus children on Mars. Do Female Techpriests still give birth to babies or are all the newborns grown out of vats? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Osteoclast Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 How does Guy Haley write so good so fast? Maybe he's the C'tan of literature? Â Â Cawl's origins were explained in the novel, he was one of many vat grown Mechanicus children on Mars. Do Female Techpriests still give birth to babies or are all the newborns grown out of vats? Â There are plenty still born in the traditional way, but the higher ups "don't have the time for such things." Presumably, the less of the flesh they retain, the less likely they are to partake of the flesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Well, the higher ups wanted faster babies, Cawl was grown to around 10 years old within a few hours. It's mentioned that people still make babies the regular way, it's just drastically more expedient to just churn them out for all the purposes the Mechanicus needs individuals for (servitors, acolytes, etc etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted September 22, 2019 Share Posted September 22, 2019 Just started reading and noticed the Overlord flyer is mentioned again. it now has stubby wings! Burni 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lythari Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Finished it over the weekend. Not only is Guy Haley a writing machine, he has become a fantastic writer - his earlier works were 'merely' good and his writing seems to improve with each book he churns out.  This is definitely a book worth reading, especially how much significant new lore the book contains. I wonder if this gives some hints of how the lore will move forwards for necrons in psychic awakening. On the other-hand, Space Wolves have gotten nothing in-game out of Ashes of Prospero despite the significant developments there so i'm not holding my breath. Subtleknife 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Got 1.45 left on the Audiobook. Very happy about what it does for the Cawl character. Â Primaris make more sense now and the glimpses it gives the early emperor and pre crusade/unification terra are awesome. I am now oficially hyped for the valdor book. Kelborn and kamedake88 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Any hints/ references to the Valdor story? Or the era it covers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Not so far. I say it because I assume valdor will give some glimpses of pre imperial times as well. Cawl doesnt give a lot of those. But I always love that stuff. Â On a sidenote: The voice used for decimus Felix is incredibly annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Who are the voice actors? John Banks did hin well in Dark Imperium. Though John Banks is always a plus. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Vespasian Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 It is John banks. I just feel like the snake pliskin like voice He does for him is kind of played out by now. The Rest of the voice acting is superb tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Random Tin foil hat thought   Alpha Primus is alpharius's twin omegdon  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbienw Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 Yeah, no. mc warhammer, Huggtand, Triszin and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) Finished the book, enjoyed it. My opinion on Cawl agent didn't change. Although my opinion on Cawl did. Edited September 24, 2019 by Sete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knockagh Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Due to this damned intriguing thread this book has just leapfrogged over gloomspite and hollow mountain. Bookmark at the ready and off we go.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Honestly I never was a fan of how primaris were introduced, nor cawl, this book laid most of my grievances to rest. For the most part I always did enjoy Guy Haley, and again he did a good job. Indefragable 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Guy's prose is still not on the level of top BL wordsmiths...sometimes it reads a bit flat or cliched IMO Â His stuff is still rather entertaining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruralguardhipcat Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Just finished, great read and can recommend. Would quite enjoy an Alpha Primus model from GW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Guy's prose is still not on the level of top BL wordsmiths...sometimes it reads a bit flat or cliched IMO  His stuff is still rather entertaining   bro, i enjoy your contributions...but we know. you say this on every topic that contains the magic combo of the letters y, g and u. i literally saw this thread and counted down for your post like the 12 days of christmas.  it's perfectly ok for people to get excited over a book by haley or to discuss specifics over that book without the generic reminder each and every time of where you feel haley's prose fits in the BL heirarchy.  though it is pretty funny that you posted it twice in this thread.  me personally, i have zero interest in cawl as a character. maybe this will change my mind but i'll hold off on reading it awhile. Fenriwolf, Indefragable, RikuEru and 5 others 8 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 I'm only on chapter 6 (about 20% through) but I've got to admit, the book is turning my expectations for 40k Cawl on its head already. He is strangely likeable, without losing his status as big AdMech mofo. It's deliberately ambiguous whether he's just extremely arrogant or actually calculating to the point where massive risks don't mean much in the first place. Â I'm honestly happy with this. I liked Cawl well enough in Wolfsbane, but here, with past sequences and present day, post-Dark Imperium II, he's growing on me pretty quickly. There's also some stuff about the Primaris experiments, which - even just in terms of rough timestamps - makes things so much more plausible. Â One of those days I'll have to work my way through Laurie's Scythes of the Emperor omnibus and see what Haley is utilizing from the shorts and novel on top of his own Pharos, Wolfsbane and Dark Imperium. Although even if he uses exactly nothing from Scythes beyond some character names, it's already one hell of a book for tying together various parts of the fluff that have been brewing for the past 5 years. Huggtand and Marshal Rohr 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 (edited) Alpha Primus could be Cawl's attempt at a GK Primaris Edited September 25, 2019 by Kelborn Spoiler tags added Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 I've written out two different responses to this book and deleted both because i didn't like what I had to say. As it stands, I'll just point out the following: Â A: If the events of this book are actual hints as to what might happen in the Psychic Awakening, I like the outlines of what i'm seeing. We'll find out together. Â B: I can't recall a single Primaris marine dying in this story, while old marines die in droves. This bothers me. Â C: Cawl. I'd have liked the character better if the big reveal of his passed didn't happen. It would have made him a much more grim and tragic figure if he had lost that particular struggle. As it stands, that single moment made me roll my eyes in disgust and vastly lowered my opinion of the story overall. Â D: The Scythes side plot is the best part of this entire story, with the most emotional depth and greatest payoff. Â E: Making Primaris fear/hate their creator doesn't mean jack diddly squat if they begin to forgive him in the same damn book you bring it up. That isn't real depth. That's fake and plastic. Â All in all? 6 out of 10. If he hadn't crapped his pants so close to the finish line I'd probably have given it an 8.5. Read if you want some interesting insights into the possible future plot of 40K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 You mean if Cawl were really the Lord Geneticist Sedayne masquerading as Cawl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Valkenhayn Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Yes. I'd have prefered that to what we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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