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Thoughts on Grey Knights and the future


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I can see a number of challenges in terms of codex design for introducing Primaris that are peculiar to Grey Knights. So far, GW has shied away from producing Primaris units that are direct replacements for First-Born units. Grey Knight units are much less diverse than those of other chapters, so there seem to be fewer niches into which Primaris units could be inserted, without the new units ending up looking out of keeping with the existing design. The basic Primaris GK troop would be a Tacticus-armoured marine with a Cawl-pattern storm-bolter (R 30” AP -1) and a Nemesis force-weapon: lose either the wrist-mounted gun or the NFW and you’ve got an Intercessor with silver paint. However, you’ve now got a Strike Squad with 2W and 2A: except we’ve already got that, with the bonus of a 2+/5++ save. We also have to face the numbers problem: a Primaris GK army is likely to have even fewer models on the tabletop than it does now.

Some ideas that might be welcome: Inceptors with twin assault psycannons or psilencers; a fire-support Squad with an anti-tank variant of the psycannon; Aggressors with twin incinerators and a heavy daemon-hammer.

 

I really like the idea of Inceptors with psycannons. I kind of want to model that up now.



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Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris?

 

I could totally get behind this

 

Krash


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Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris?

 

I could totally get behind this

 

Krash

 

I'd definitely support thatyes.gif


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As interesting it is to imagine how cool Primaris models can be with GK custom armour/weapons. It also has highlighted, for me at least...would that make my current 4K points worth of GK models anymore viable in the future?

Grey Knight Agrressors and Grey Knight Inceptors doesn't actually make our purifiers, purgation, or interceptors any more effective on the table. Sure, business-wise, it would be great for GW to get new and old GK players to BUY a whole new Primaris GK army with more powerful weapons and vehicles - and that would at least keep GKs in the lore / production line more relevant / updated.

Though that does not intrinsically mean our current models will get actually better logically, I mean surely its much easier for GW to keep our psycannons that same bad profile now, while make the future "primaris psycannon" strong and effective, than make our psycannon effective and than make the primaris variant as good or even better (but also be different again), and then promote sales for the new.

As to future thoughts of GK models I actually have now, I am observing the rule updates of non-primaris models of say SoS, Inquisition and BT, to see the current efforts of GW as a basis for my expectations.

Edited by Waking Dreamer, 17 October 2019 - 12:16 AM.

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As interesting it is to imagine how cool primaries models can be with GK custom armour/weapons. It also has highlighted, for me at least...would that make my current 4K points worth of GK models anymore viable in the future?


It's an excellent question. It's possible; I can imagine new models patching holes in the codex which in turn could allow the existing models to focus on what they're good at.

If I look at the primaris range, it's actually the Vanguard stuff that stands out most to me, not the Agressors or Inceptors etc. Snipers, infiltration, DS-denial and objective holding, along with long-range anti-tank are all things that will open space for heavy-hitters to do their thing.

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I am curious to see if the new Psychic Awakening would provided an updated psychic table and universal rules for our Grey Knights. Since Sisters of Battle and Inquisition are going to be released in November, one can logically assume the Deathwatch and Grey Knights would be included in the next update.



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Terminators are a really iconic model for the GK could it be possible they get the first "Terminator" armored Primaris?

 

I could totally get behind this

 

Krash

I'd definitely support thatyes.gif

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That being said, yes. I could see Grey Knights getting the first Primaris 'Terminator' unit (even though I'd prefer Dark Angels to get that..... Eh, they'd probably get the first Primaris bikers :lol:)



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Haha I only meant "Iconic" in the sense that they actually have there own pattern of Terminator armor

 

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I love our OG Grey Knights, but hey if they throw some Aegis armored Super Saiyan pure Primaris terminators our way. They can take all my money.biggrin.png

 

Lets also remember that Grey Knights should be receiving some (probably small) updates due to Psychic Awakening. 


Edited by Watcher, 18 October 2019 - 02:00 AM.

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Considering the abundance of chapter specific rules that have been the new Space Marine codices and their suppliments I'm curious if the same will occur for Grey Knights. Maybe even pull some inspiration from previous editions such as giving Grey Knights Shrouding and true grit back in their current renditions; granting knights a -1 BS to opponents firing on them as a target and their storm bolters treated as pistol 2 or 4. Could even bring back psychic quake where strike squads make a no deepstrike zone around them. But lets wait and see.


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With Primaris being 2W models where does that put our Terminators? They'd either have to become 3W models or would fall by the wayside as they'd be too expensive in comparison to Primaris Strike squads.



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The rules for Terminators have never made sense anyway. So I don't see the issue. Give the Primaris terminators maybe a inherit feel no pain or some sort of special save. 

 

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Edited by Captain_Krash, 18 October 2019 - 12:21 PM.

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The only problem with introducing Primaris Terminators (outside of Grey Knights) is that they would end up invalidating the old Terminators which so many in the SM player base still buy regularly. In Grey Knights alone, I imagine it would be a variant  Aegis armor much like the Phobos armor variant which could probably incorporate a similar invulnerable save much like the Terminus Crux. That way they wouldn't invalidate the terminators via wounds and they would still have the deepstrike ability like a Strike Squad. Primaris with a stock (5+) invul. is still pretty decent and I wouldn't mind.

The only problem is they wouldn't be Terminators which is no fun! yucky.gif

Food for thought.


Edited by Watcher, 18 October 2019 - 08:02 PM.

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Terminators in general are a sticking point with the SM product lines as a whole. So far there is nothing in the Primaris line up that would serve as a close analog, and no major reason to believe that GW is going to do a general refresh of the terminator models and/or datasheets.

 

Given the prominence of terminators in the GK, it leaves Chapter 666 in an awkward place in GWs product management schema.



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Technically, Gravis is the new terminator armor. Sucks.
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