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[Red_Shift]

I haven't kept up with Eldar lore, but I remember Maugen-Ra was fairly active around the black crusade due to his previously destroyed craftworld ?Altansar coming out of the eye and I think he sided with the Yenari. If this release is going to be bulked out then Mandrakes are one of the few remaining finecast DE kits and a second aspect in plastic would make sense. Dark Reapers would give some ranged support.

If there is a new DE flyer then couldn't it be Vect?

[Shield-Captain]

I'm fairly certain that "new flyer" is merely a Tantalus

https://www.forgewor...-Eldar-Tantalus

The silhouette is pretty similar.

[Slips]

I'm fairly certain that "new flyer" is merely a Tantalus

https://www.forgewor...-Eldar-Tantalus

The silhouette is pretty similar.

Thats what I generally think too: that its just an artistic variation of a Tantalus.

 

However, the few deails that stick out to me: the lack of width for the double hull and the lack of gap in the center that would also point to it having a double-hull.

 

The Sail is also a big indicator at it not being a Tantalus.

 

The position of the gun also makes me think of a Reaper but even that doesnt fit. https://www.forgewor...dar-Reaper-2018

 

TO me, it looks like a giant Venom with a Tantalus' rear end and a Reapers gun.

[Marshal Rohr]

Looks more like a reaper with wider wings.

https://www.forgewor...dar-Reaper-2018

Probably a new sprue for the box to give the DE some anti-knight vehicles.

Edited by Marshal Rohr, 27 September 2019 - 12:14 AM.

[PeteySödes]

I'm fairly certain that "new flyer" is merely a Tantalus

https://www.forgewor...-Eldar-Tantalus

The silhouette is pretty similar.

Thats what I generally think too: that its just an artistic variation of a Tantalus.

However, the few deails that stick out to me: the lack of width for the double hull and the lack of gap in the center that would also point to it having a double-hull.

The Sail is also a big indicator at it not being a Tantalus.

The position of the gun also makes me think of a Reaper but even that doesnt fit. https://www.forgewor...dar-Reaper-2018

TO me, it looks like a giant Venom with a Tantalus' rear end and a Reapers gun.

Dais. Of. Destruction

[Slips]

One can dream/hope...

[Karhedron]

Probably a new sprue for the box to give the DE some anti-knight vehicles.

To be fair, DE have haywire coming out of their pointy ears (not to mention blasters, Dark Lances that do not count as heavy etc). Dealing with Knights is not too problematic for them (although loss of access to Craftworld Doomseers did hurt a bit).

Edited by Karhedron, 27 September 2019 - 09:37 AM.

[Ioldanach]

I'm not a big fan of the concept that howling banshees look female even if they're male. The armor is supposed to be form-fitting. The only practical reason for this is that GW doesn't want to have male/female torsos for each of the aspects. I don't see any reason why they can't have four out of five howling banshees female with the fifth being male; and the exarch should be female regardless (not because males can't become howling banshee exarchs, but simply because that's probably too niche for GW to justify a mold/model). The other aspects should be fairly evenly split male/female (if they come in sets of five models, then 3 male/2 female; if they come in sets of ten models, then 5/5).

Ultimately, the mask is what creates the assumed persona. As long as the mask of the howling banshee aspect warrior is suitably feminine, I think that the concept has been executed sufficiently.

[~Drakzilla~]

I like the armor, it fits the idea that the armor is inherited and that the warrior is stepping into a role, leaving their old persona behind. Plus, it's nice to have more examples of androgyny that isn't Slaanesh.

[Redcomet]

I'm not a big fan of the concept that howling banshees look female even if they're male. The armor is supposed to be form-fitting. The only practical reason for this is that GW doesn't want to have male/female torsos for each of the aspects. I don't see any reason why they can't have four out of five howling banshees female with the fifth being male; and the exarch should be female regardless (not because males can't become howling banshee exarchs, but simply because that's probably too niche for GW to justify a mold/model). The other aspects should be fairly evenly split male/female (if they come in sets of five models, then 3 male/2 female; if they come in sets of ten models, then 5/5).

Ultimately, the mask is what creates the assumed persona. As long as the mask of the howling banshee aspect warrior is suitably feminine, I think that the concept has been executed sufficiently.

The armor can have a formfitting inner layer, and still have bobs on the exterior easy.

[Wulf Vengis]

You could always guardians with banshee head swaps?

[Doctor Perils]

Or dire avengers for that matter? Plus, perhaps some of the other aspects when they come out

[Wispy]

I'm not a big fan of the concept that howling banshees look female even if they're male. The armor is supposed to be form-fitting. The only practical reason for this is that GW doesn't want to have male/female torsos for each of the aspects. I don't see any reason why they can't have four out of five howling banshees female with the fifth being male; and the exarch should be female regardless (not because males can't become howling banshee exarchs, but simply because that's probably too niche for GW to justify a mold/model). The other aspects should be fairly evenly split male/female (if they come in sets of five models, then 3 male/2 female; if they come in sets of ten models, then 5/5).

Ultimately, the mask is what creates the assumed persona. As long as the mask of the howling banshee aspect warrior is suitably feminine, I think that the concept has been executed sufficiently.

 

it's a weird bit of fluff and i think it's to justify that autarchs are often depicted as male but can take banshee wargear (implying history with a banshee shrine).

[Legionnaire of the VIIth]

 

I'm not a big fan of the concept that howling banshees look female even if they're male. The armor is supposed to be form-fitting. The only practical reason for this is that GW doesn't want to have male/female torsos for each of the aspects. I don't see any reason why they can't have four out of five howling banshees female with the fifth being male; and the exarch should be female regardless (not because males can't become howling banshee exarchs, but simply because that's probably too niche for GW to justify a mold/model). The other aspects should be fairly evenly split male/female (if they come in sets of five models, then 3 male/2 female; if they come in sets of ten models, then 5/5).

Ultimately, the mask is what creates the assumed persona. As long as the mask of the howling banshee aspect warrior is suitably feminine, I think that the concept has been executed sufficiently.

 

it's a weird bit of fluff and i think it's to justify that autarchs are often depicted as male but can take banshee wargear (implying history with a banshee shrine).

 

Male Howling Banshees go back to the White Dwarf that introduced them in Rogue Trader, I believe the first appearance of the Autarch was in Epic Swordwind (published in 2001) and the 4th edition Eldar Codex. Unless they wanted to explain banshee equipment on a male Autarch concept they shelved until much later I don't think it was what brought about having male Howling Banshees.

[Marshal Rohr]

Gav explained it on Twitter but I’m not going to quote it because it is political. Essentially while on the Path of the Banshee all Eldar are female.

Edited by Marshal Rohr, 02 October 2019 - 01:33 AM.

[Gederas]

Gav explained it on Twitter but I’m not going to quote it because it is political. Essentially while on the Path of the Banshee all Eldar are female.

Or in other words:

The Path of the Banshee is a female persona. When you go on it, you are female.

[Master Commander Ajax]

Gav explained it on Twitter but I’m not going to quote it because it is political.

i pulled it up and it really isn't...
it is certaintly a maturity issue with certain folks here...

Can you just quote it then?

I really don't feel like trawling through Gav's Twitter feed to find this quote.

In response to a question asking weather the new Howling Banshee Exarch model was Male or Female...

“The answer is neither. The question contains an invalid assertion and so can’t be answered.

Short version: The Howling Banshee is a female Aspect so this would be a female model.

Long version: A craftworlder Aspect Warrior assumes the gender (or absence) of their Aspect
1/?”

Edited by Master Commander Ajax, 02 October 2019 - 03:44 AM.

[Master Commander Ajax]

He later adds...

“This is my personal dichotomy - I tie myself in knots when I think about it too much. In my headcanon (which is heavily influenced by the Culture) they even have the tech to control their bodies and assume physiological changes too.”

[Bryan Blaire]

I think folks are getting too caught up in something that really doesn't need a question or an answer. It's a plastic mini - if you don't like what it represents to you, change it. You also don't have to accept what GW's writing tells you 100%, if you like a slightly different idea, then make it so.

Don't get too caught up in "being right" by anyone else's standards or acknowledgement, or being "GW official." Even GW employees don't always abide by "GW official" as they have shown in the Voxcast interviews.

[Closet Skeleton]

Ultimately, the mask is what creates the assumed persona. As long as the mask of the howling banshee aspect warrior is suitably feminine, I think that the concept has been executed sufficiently.

 

Boobplates are entirely aesthetic. There's no logic to keeping the gendered aesthetic features of the armour to the helmet. Why would a culture based around performance impose limits on the amount of drag they engage in just because there's a theoretically more restrained amount of drag.

 

Harlequins work the way you're suggesting and have kits that let you make a woman Harlequin with a masculine masque or put a pony tail on a gender neutral masque with a male torso and that's cool and all but I think the differences in the kits adds more depth and variety to Eldar Culture than standardizing them would.

 

The gender neutral legs on the Dark Eldar Wyche, Reaver and Hellion kits are for cost saving reasons but they do also imply that there's no human-equivalent muscle distribution difference between male and female Eldar.

[gideon stargreave]

Just read the Twitter exchange. I see the invalid assertion mentioned. (that there are 2 genders in Eldar society).
That is pretty consistent with the Eldar concept of paths in general.

[Hathor42]

Well they did birth slaanesh.