Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 The big difference honestly is that Commanders do their damage via shooting which they can do comfortably from 18" (or more if you take Plasma or Missile Pods) away behind screens and everything so they can't get shot back while Marine Captains do their damage via melee which puts them in great danger. However the restriction of 1 per detachment got added to the Codex before there was a "max 3 of a Datasheet" recommendation for tournaments so if GW would consolidate all three Commander variants into a single Datasheet again they could just remove the 1 per detachment restriction without much of an impact in tournament games while being less of a hassle for non-tournament players. Are Verlo, Oxydo and Trevak Dal 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 When do these CAs normally release? Mid december... so you get something to read of the festive break when surrounded by the extended family! :p INKS 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Honestly, Tau just need a support system that raise raises the bs skillto 3+ Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) Honestly, Tau just need a support system that raise raises the bs skillto 3+ Maybe, but that wouldn't help Crisis Suits at all. 2 weapons at BS3+ is worse than 3 weapons at BS4+. It's pretty much the same situation as the ATS support system. Not to mention that for big suits it would do the same as the Target Lock except that it would also give a bonus when not moving, further promoting stationary castle gameplay. Edited October 8, 2019 by sfPanzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Honestly, Tau just need a support system that raise raises the bs skillto 3+ Maybe, but that wouldn't help Crisis Suits at all. 2 weapons at BS3+ is worse than 3 weapons at BS4+. True. Maybe make the crisis suits bs3, and that's the benefit of them over the other suits? Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Crisis Suits with flamers are pretty amazing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 One of my favourite units in my T'au army. Coincidentally also the unit that doesn't care at all about having just BS4+. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Yep. People sometimes need to adjust what they use. How many are running flamers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INKS Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 When do these CAs normally release? Mid december... so you get something to read of the festive break when surrounded by the extended family! That is good, I'll need that. :) Slasher956 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slasher956 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 LEGENDS! yep finally remembered (it came up in a discussion in the eldar sub forum)... GW said they were going to publish the legends datasheets... thats half a CA right there and guarenteed sales :( NTaW and G8Keeper 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Yep. People sometimes need to adjust what they use. How many are running flamers? People shouldn't need to unless it's because of the meta. If the unit is lacking then GW should fix it instead of the player having to suck it up and adjust. Triszin and Trevak Dal 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Yep. People sometimes need to adjust what they use. How many are running flamers? People shouldn't need to unless it's because of the meta. If the unit is lacking then GW should fix it instead of the player having to suck it up and adjust. Yep. Give them bs3+ and you have a reason to take other weapons on them besides flamer or fusion. Or give them something to make them feel like crisis suits, jsj as standard? Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Give them bs3+ and you have a reason to take other weapons on them besides flamer or fusion. Or give them something to make them feel like crisis suits, jsj as standard? I disagree. With BS3+ you could also take BC, Plasma or CIBs and it'd be worthwhile. Yes I know you don't like the current form of the Plasma and I agree it feels lacking, but for the points it's not a bad pick already. I honestly really don't care about JSJ. It was a neat gimmick but very frustrating for the opponent to play against. Having a durable (T5 W3 Sv3+ and potentially drone protection is really nice) shooty platform with FLY keyword is a different but not worse dynamic. I greatly enjoy to shoot, charge, fall back&shoot with most of my army instead of the old jsj. Tyriks 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) I think BS3+ on generic units should be reserved for Eldar variants, Necrons, Astartes and a few elite factions like Sisters. Edited October 8, 2019 by Ishagu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) I think BS3+ on generic units should be reserved for Eldar variants, Necrons, Astartes and a few elite factions like Sisters. Good thing Crisis Suits aren't generic. They are the T'au veterans and it's an honour to be allowed to pilot one. Edited October 8, 2019 by sfPanzer Trevak Dal 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 (edited) They aren't unique either. And before you say they have technology to improve their aim, then we should all be asking why any vehicle doesn't gain better BS over standard infantry units. Space Marine Veterans don't have BS2+ either. Characters do, and I'll even argue that Tau commanders should be BS 3+, and not 2+ Edited October 8, 2019 by Ishagu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I would rather Crisis Suits get BS3 than jump shoot jump. That was never fun to play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triszin Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Issue isn't lore ishagu, it's making them viable and fun and usable. Just taking flamerson then to ignore there flaw doesn't fix them. Bs3, means they will be used. And more variety of builds open. Suits aren't cheap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 My bet is on a Lost and the Damned/Traitor Guard mini-codex. Throw together the Gellarpox, Chaos cultists, and Blackstone Fortress Traitor Guard along with The Traitor Commissar, add new datasheets and strategems, no new models needed. Nice filler for CA19. Doctor Perils and Triszin 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Kroot Mercenaries! Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaldoth Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 With a new codex release cycle happening, I doubt either of the following will happen, but I'd love to see these changes across the entire game. 1. Revamping heavy weapons that have a damage characteristic of D6 to be either 2D3 or 3+D3 damage depending on the weapon. Strength 7 or lower 2d3, strength 8 or higher 3+d3. Heavy weapons are too damn swingy right now no matter what your faction is, though especially those without any kind of reroll support. 2. Assault weapons that have a random shot characteristic getting changed appropriately. It makes no sense that a flamer or a heavy flamer only hits 1-2 people. Just go with 3+d3 like above on d6 hit weapons and 6+d6 for 2d6 hit weapons, though with the stipulation that the weapon can never cause more hits than the total models in the target unit (special rules that cause extra hits notwithstanding). Honestly, I wish they'd just bring back templates. Id much rather wait the extra two minutes for the Ork or Tyranid player to space their models out if it means I'm not getting single hits and wounds on weapons that should be doing far more. Buuuut, that's a pipe dream at this point :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzer Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 They aren't unique either. And before you say they have technology to improve their aim, then we should all be asking why any vehicle doesn't gain better BS over standard infantry units. Space Marine Veterans don't have BS2+ either. Characters do, and I'll even argue that Tau commanders should be BS 3+, and not 2+ Nobody said anything about being unique. Do you just try to pull 'arguments' out of nowhere for no reason? Marshal Loss 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyriks Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I honestly hope to never see templates again. dice4thedicegod, Panzer and andes 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Shepherd Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 LEGENDS! yep finally remembered (it came up in a discussion in the eldar sub forum)... GW said they were going to publish the legends datasheets... thats half a CA right there and guarenteed sales :( Wonder will they include pre primarisified characters in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickSix Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 LEGENDS! yep finally remembered (it came up in a discussion in the eldar sub forum)... GW said they were going to publish the legends datasheets... thats half a CA right there and guarenteed sales :( Oh I forgot about that. Yeah that will the big release for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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