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[Jacques Corbin]

Wow, A Primaris Emperors Champion would be Great! Still, what it would mean for the Lore... Are EC pretty silent and stoic, or do they preach like Chaplains? Either way, I imagine the Primaris Chaplains would start to get rather uppity. Remember, the Primaris Chaplains are still the new guys in the reclusiam. They were given Dorn's geneseed with all the others on Mars, and who knows what methods were used to decide which Sons of Dorn would got to the Imperial Fists, the Crimson Fists, Black Templars, Hammers of Dorn, etc. I mean, consider the ramifications of that Primaris Emperors Champion dying in the line of duty, only for another Primaris to be chosen, and then another after him. How will the firstborn be affected by that? Could that be a blow to their zeal? Or will they all start demanding to cross the Rubicon themselves?

[Ciler]

Depends how it is handled. If, say, both datasheets remain then it could be one then the other, and would only demonstrate that primaris can be worthy, without suggesting firstborns aren't (anymore).

[Trevak Dal]

Black Templars vs World Eaters, the slapfight to end it all on the red sands!

[Marshal Rohr]

They're definitely not going to do a datasheet for Primaris and Oldmarine EC. They'll push the oldmarine EC to the Index entry/Legends. 

[Ciler]

They're definitely not going to do a datasheet for Primaris and Oldmarine EC. They'll push the oldmarine EC to the Index entry/Legends. 

We shall see. Your view is certainly the most likely, but other options remain possible, for instance that the "old" EC remains.

 

Actually Jacques' opinion can be considered in reverse, what does it say about them (from a fluff perspective) if there is no primaris emperor's champion ? Are they not truly his servants ?

[Jacques Corbin]

Excellent point! Just like all the named Primaris characters are firstborn that crossed the Rubicon. Does that mean that there are just no Primaris that have stepped up to forge their own legend?

[Smirnov]

Are EC pretty silent and stoic, or do they preach like Chaplains?

EC is basically a battle brother or sword brother who receives a vision on the eve of battle that sends him on a miision. So EC is as outgoing or as taciturn as the battle brother in question was

Edited by Smirnov, 05 October 2019 - 07:30 AM.

[Acebaur]

Wow, A Primaris Emperors Champion would be Great! Still, what it would mean for the Lore... Are EC pretty silent and stoic, or do they preach like Chaplains? Either way, I imagine the Primaris Chaplains would start to get rather uppity. Remember, the Primaris Chaplains are still the new guys in the reclusiam. They were given Dorn's geneseed with all the others on Mars, and who knows what methods were used to decide which Sons of Dorn would got to the Imperial Fists, the Crimson Fists, Black Templars, Hammers of Dorn, etc. I mean, consider the ramifications of that Primaris Emperors Champion dying in the line of duty, only for another Primaris to be chosen, and then another after him. How will the firstborn be affected by that? Could that be a blow to their zeal? Or will they all start demanding to cross the Rubicon themselves?

 

Why are people stuck in this mentality that primaris are newbies? GW has advanced the timeline nearly 200 years. Any primaris that are "new" aren't going to be holding a position of office like Chaplain. They will be Intercessors or Reivers 

[Medjugorje]

 

Wow, A Primaris Emperors Champion would be Great! Still, what it would mean for the Lore... Are EC pretty silent and stoic, or do they preach like Chaplains? Either way, I imagine the Primaris Chaplains would start to get rather uppity. Remember, the Primaris Chaplains are still the new guys in the reclusiam. They were given Dorn's geneseed with all the others on Mars, and who knows what methods were used to decide which Sons of Dorn would got to the Imperial Fists, the Crimson Fists, Black Templars, Hammers of Dorn, etc. I mean, consider the ramifications of that Primaris Emperors Champion dying in the line of duty, only for another Primaris to be chosen, and then another after him. How will the firstborn be affected by that? Could that be a blow to their zeal? Or will they all start demanding to cross the Rubicon themselves?

 

Why are people stuck in this mentality that primaris are newbies? GW has advanced the timeline nearly 200 years. Any primaris that are "new" aren't going to be holding a position of office like Chaplain. They will be Intercessors or Reivers 

 

thats why you can make Intercessors into Veterans

[Ishagu]

Primaris Emperor's champion?

That's cool but the less interesting of the characters they could have picked. Still, I hope it's true.
BT also need some bonus rules to apply to the Repulsors, not just Landraiders.

[Ciler]

Primaris Emperor's champion?

That's cool but the less interesting of the characters they could have picked.

I don't think so. Primaris Helbrecht or Grimaldus is yet another named character that safely crossed the Rubicon despite supposedly "unfavourable" odds...

A primaris Champion on the other hand means that primaris have it in them to be whatever the champion is (some people have suggested the EC is a manifestation of the power of the Emperor, much like imperial saints or LoD) which demonstrates they are "true" astartes and makes them a lot more interesting from a lore perspective.

[Sete]

61% is not unfavourable.

And Primaris EC is less than a rumour its wishlisting.

The only confirmed model rumour for BT is no Primaris Hel and Grim.

Edited by Sete, 05 October 2019 - 07:16 PM.

[Irbis]

Excellent point! Just like all the named Primaris characters are firstborn that crossed the Rubicon. Does that mean that there are just no Primaris that have stepped up to forge their own legend?

 

You mean, besides 5 or 6 lieutenants (who, despite technically being generic model for that chapter, are all supposed to be that particular guy)?

 

Then you have Shadowspear guys, who are all supposed to be UM 10th company officers, though you can modify them to be generic models for other chapters...

[Medjugorje]

They're definitely not going to do a datasheet for Primaris and Oldmarine EC. They'll push the oldmarine EC to the Index entry/Legends. 

The old Shrike model can be played with the new relic. GeDub wont make old character models uselessl

A captain with jump pack and the relic lightning claws is possilbe.  So the old emperors champion could used as a company champion. But I dont think that rumor is true. If we are fortuned - we will get a upgrade sprue...

Primaris Emperor's champion?

That's cool but the less interesting of the characters they could have picked. Still, I hope it's true.
BT also need some bonus rules to apply to the Repulsors, not just Landraiders.

maybe that stratagem is playable for Intercessors in a Repulsor too

[Panzer]

61% is not unfavourable.
 

61% failure rate is pretty unfavourable. However it's only before Cawl getting to fine tune it so who knows how the odds are now.

[Medjugorje]

 

Primaris Emperor's champion?

That's cool but the less interesting of the characters they could have picked.

I don't think so. Primaris Helbrecht or Grimaldus is yet another named character that safely crossed the Rubicon despite supposedly "unfavourable" odds...

A primaris Champion on the other hand means that primaris have it in them to be whatever the champion is (some people have suggested the EC is a manifestation of the power of the Emperor, much like imperial saints or LoD) which demonstrates they are "true" astartes and makes them a lot more interesting from a lore perspective.

 

I like that Idea ... think so too. But gamewise - a better grimaldus would be better then a better Emperors champion because he makes the whole army better.

[Hathor42]

I'm more interested in the Chaos side will we get the first legion supplement? or will this open a new legion book of their own (world eaters or emperors children)

[RedFox]

Black Templars and chaos (and possibly others) are in book 2 that we know. But what is book 2 about? Armageddon?

[Sete]

Unlikely to be Armaggedon, the locarion of the second campaign is northwest of Terra, near the eye of Terror.

[Brother Adelard]

The only confirmed model rumour for BT is no Primaris Hel and Grim.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

[Sete]

The only confirmed model rumour for BT is no Primaris Hel and Grim.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

Its the only reliable info we have relating to models.

[Reinhard]

 

The only confirmed model rumour for BT is no Primaris Hel and Grim.

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?

 

 

That's just semantics. A rumor that says "No Primaris Helbrecht or Grimaldus" is still a rumor about models.

[Medjugorje]

I'm more interested in the Chaos side will we get the first legion supplement? or will this open a new legion book of their own (world eaters or emperors children)

A rumor said that BL and another 3 are surely not in this book. I cant remember which exactly. But possilbe mentions had been:

Alpha Legion, Word Bearers, Iron Warriors and Emperors Children and World Eaters.

[Sete]

Considering its BT vs Chaos, during the Indomitus it will be Word Bearers.

Onthe 1st 8th edition codex Crusades were launched to protect shrine worlds under attack by word bearers.

Edited by Sete, 06 October 2019 - 12:28 PM.

[Medjugorje]

would make sense^^

 

a real holy war.