Jump to content

Welcome to The Bolter and Chainsword
Register now to gain access to all of our features. Once registered and logged in, you will be able to create topics, post replies to existing threads, give reputation to your fellow members, get your own private messenger, post status updates, manage your profile and so much more. If you already have an account, login here - otherwise create an account for free today!
Photo

Unit of the Week: Invictor Tactical Warsuit

Blood Angels Unit of the Week series Blood Angels tactica

  • Please log in to reply
12 replies to this topic

#1
Jolemai

Jolemai

    ++ CERDONIS CÆDIS ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 13,737 posts
  • Location:Ynyshir, Porth
  • Faction: Blood Angels



Welcome to part two of the Blood Angels Unit of the Week Series!

Following the release of the 8th edition Codex, there is no better time to discuss all the units we have access to. Each week a different unit will appear, with the idea being that we discuss how best to use that model on the battlefield. Where part one will focus on the unique BA units and part two will focus on BA units that are new to this edition of the Codex, part three will discuss how to get the best use the generic units from the past that are still with us (and that many of us have in our armies still).

Note, this isn't to lament any nerfs, etc, from previous editions; the rules are as they are so try to unlock its potential for those who wish to use them all the same. Similarly, this thread is only for using the option being discussed; it matters not if you feel something is a better choice as such comments aren't constructive to the topic and shall be removed.

Without further ado, here's this week's entry:

sml_gallery_62972_10568_1098.jpg Invictor Tactical Warsuit


What are you thoughts here folks? How best would you use an Invictor?


  • To compliment a list, or to build a list around? Will the beta rules affect your list(s)?
  • Will you be running multiple units?
  • How are you making use of Concealed Positions and what weapon choice are you taking?
  • Are you buffing this unit? If so, how?
  • Stratagems of note?

Over to you.



gallery_62972_14467_5178.jpggallery_62972_14467_1351.jpggallery_62972_14467_4151.jpggallery_62972_14467_3390.jpg

Blogs Blood Angels | Veritas Vitae | Battle Reports | Terrain | IXth Legion | Miscellaneous Imperials
1000 Scout list W:0 D:0 L:4
1250 Death Company List (jump) W:0 D:0 L:4
1500 Light Mech List W:0 D:0 L:0 Dreadnought List W:1 D:0 L:1
1750 Hybrid List W:1 D:0 L:0
1850 Death Company List (mech) W:0 D:0 L:0
2000 Heavy Mech List W:0 D:0 L:0 Two Towers List W:4 D:0 L:4
Apocalypse W:1 D:0 L:0 | Heresy 2500 Mechanised IXth W:0 D:0 L:0

#2
Jolemai

Jolemai

    ++ CERDONIS CÆDIS ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 13,737 posts
  • Location:Ynyshir, Porth
  • Faction: Blood Angels

Should you want your model on display here (or on another thread from the series), then submit a photo here please.


gallery_62972_14467_5178.jpggallery_62972_14467_1351.jpggallery_62972_14467_4151.jpggallery_62972_14467_3390.jpg

Blogs Blood Angels | Veritas Vitae | Battle Reports | Terrain | IXth Legion | Miscellaneous Imperials
1000 Scout list W:0 D:0 L:4
1250 Death Company List (jump) W:0 D:0 L:4
1500 Light Mech List W:0 D:0 L:0 Dreadnought List W:1 D:0 L:1
1750 Hybrid List W:1 D:0 L:0
1850 Death Company List (mech) W:0 D:0 L:0
2000 Heavy Mech List W:0 D:0 L:0 Two Towers List W:4 D:0 L:4
Apocalypse W:1 D:0 L:0 | Heresy 2500 Mechanised IXth W:0 D:0 L:0

#3
BluejayJunior

BluejayJunior

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 412 posts
  • Location:Atlanta, GA
  • Faction: Blood Angels

I think they have some play in support of scouts, infiltrators, and/or incursors. Get several things right in your opponents line turn 1 that they have to deal with. Turn 2 some reserves come in and hit a flank. Allows the rest of your army to hopefully spread out and take control of objectives early. I think both weapon options are good. Only downside with the flamer is that it always wants to be deployed right in their face, while the autocannon is also good when deployed further back. 

Unfortunately, they don't get Red Thirst, so no +1 to wound. But that only really counts against T7 and up. 


gallery_62972_10568_12006.jpggallery_48988_15465_18311.pnggallery_48988_15465_10130.png


#4
Emissary

Emissary

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 109 posts
It only matters on t8+. Invictors wound t7 in melee on a 2+.

#5
sfPanzer

sfPanzer

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 18,993 posts
  • Location:Germany
  • Faction: Knights of Baal, Dal'yth Sept

I love its rules and I think it's one of the most useful units we currently have. A big fat distraction carnifex but not quite since the opponent doesn't just fall into the trap to focus on him because if he doesn't deal with him he'll do some good damage and tie something up right away.

 

And that's how I would play him as well.

 

 

However I hate its background/fluff and I don't want to have too many stealthy units in my army either so I'll never get one. :P


Disclaimer:

If my posts appear rude to you, I apologize. It's not meant to be rude in any way, it's just the way folks are in my country. It's really more about being direct than being rude. I know how it's perceived in the english speaking community and I already try to tone it down but I barely notice when it's too much since it's normal for me.


So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

gallery_62972_10568_7658.jpgbFk9acX.pnggallery_62972_14467_40478.pnggallery_62972_14467_3819.jpggallery_62972_10568_4118.jpg


#6
BluejayJunior

BluejayJunior

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 412 posts
  • Location:Atlanta, GA
  • Faction: Blood Angels

It only matters on t8+. Invictors wound t7 in melee on a 2+.

Ah my mistake. I was going from memory and thought it was Str 6. Even better then!


gallery_62972_10568_12006.jpggallery_48988_15465_18311.pnggallery_48988_15465_10130.png


#7
Karhedron

Karhedron

    ++ RENASCITUR EX MORS ++

  • ++ MODERATI ++
  • 2,520 posts
  • Location:Tending the Shrine of Asuryan

I love its rules and I think it's one of the most useful units we currently have. A big fat distraction carnifex but not quite since the opponent doesn't just fall into the trap to focus on him because if he doesn't deal with him he'll do some good damage and tie something up right away.


I agree, it also synergises well with our other ways of getting dangerous units into the opponent's face on T1 such as Forlorn Fury and UWOF. An Invictor can help take some of the heat off Captain Smash simply by standing vaguely nearby as several enemy units may become unable to target him.

I would probably go for the super-flamer version for maximum shock value and also defence if your opponent tries to tarpit it.
Sanguinius stood up, stretching his wings to their full extent. He flexed his hands. "I need no blade".
It was as though Sanguinius gleamed with pale light, his face white, eyes becoming blood-red, surrounded by the golden crown of flowing hair. Guilliman had witnessed glimpses of of his brother's wrath before, but had never seen the true Blood Angel unleashed. Sanguinius surged forward on alabaster wings, half a meter from the floor, whiteness streaming from him like flames.

#8
Xenith

Xenith

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 10,318 posts

However I hate its background/fluff and I don't want to have too many stealthy units in my army either so I'll never get one. tongue.png

 

I think of Vanguard less as 'stealthy' units, and more as aggressively forward deploying*. By the time the game has started the enemy knows where they are and the shooting has started. 

 

*At least, that's how I have to justify them to myself...


  • Silverson and Karhedron like this

#9
The Unseen

The Unseen

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 1,337 posts
  • Location:Western Kentucky, Continental USA
  • Faction: Charnel Guard

I expect these to go up in points come Chapter Approved. They are way to good at disrupting for what they cost. They're cheaper than a redemptor, for basically the same dread minus a tiny bit of ranged fire, but gets to start 9" away from the enemy, for 130-ish points. A local player has been stomping the 1k league just because if he goes first, his 2 warsuits just end games.


"For the Emperor and Sanguinius! Death! DEATH!"

 

 


#10
sfPanzer

sfPanzer

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 18,993 posts
  • Location:Germany
  • Faction: Knights of Baal, Dal'yth Sept

Also only T6 which makes it much more vulnerable to S7 shooting. But yeah it's really strong currently.


Disclaimer:

If my posts appear rude to you, I apologize. It's not meant to be rude in any way, it's just the way folks are in my country. It's really more about being direct than being rude. I know how it's perceived in the english speaking community and I already try to tone it down but I barely notice when it's too much since it's normal for me.


So yeah, I'm really not rude it's basically just cultural differences that act against me here. Again, I apologize.

gallery_62972_10568_7658.jpgbFk9acX.pnggallery_62972_14467_40478.pnggallery_62972_14467_3819.jpggallery_62972_10568_4118.jpg


#11
Xenith

Xenith

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 10,318 posts

Welp, dreads seem to work for me this edition so I ordered an Invictus. 

 

The flame weapon jumps out as a decent choice, is there any further thought on this?



#12
The Unseen

The Unseen

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 1,337 posts
  • Location:Western Kentucky, Continental USA
  • Faction: Charnel Guard
Well, it isn't a dreadnought
;)
But yeah, that's pretty much the consensus
It wants to move to use its fist because it starts so close to the enemy, so auto hitting is good, and it's cheaper than the autocannons, and has that magical 12" range on a flamer.
For what it wants to do, it's just better

"For the Emperor and Sanguinius! Death! DEATH!"

 

 


#13
Xenith

Xenith

    +FRATER DOMUS+

  • + FRATER DOMUS +
  • 10,318 posts
So I grabbed one of these bad boys. Thankfully the weapon looks very easily magnetised at the elbow joint so while the flamer looks hands down better I'll be able to test out both options!

Edited by Xenith, 01 November 2019 - 06:54 PM.






Also tagged with one or more of these keywords: Blood Angels Unit of the Week series, Blood Angels tactica

0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users