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Chaos rumors in Psychic Awakening 2


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Creating a new topic since the Chaos posts were purged from the BT thread.
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Are CSM gonna get the equivalent of combat doctrines ?
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What rumors do we even have? New Sorc and what else exactly?



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Are CSM gonna get the equivalent of combat doctrines ?

 

Nothing points towards this. Most that has been hinted at is a new sorcerer and nothing else but so far it's only rumours. We'll just have to wait and see...


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That new trailer showed quite a few legions.
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Been waiting on this new sorcerer model forever, but as a Thousand Sons player my expectations are as low as possible.

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Are CSM gonna get the equivalent of combat doctrines ?


The French rumor guy explicitly said no. Only new WT, relics and stratagems (with the mention of new sorcerer).

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Are CSM gonna get the equivalent of combat doctrines ?

The French rumor guy explicitly said no. Only new WT, relics and stratagems (with the mention of new sorcerer).

And even then, only for some CSM legions.
No rework of tactics, no tactics on vehicul.
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Well then I guess we just gotta hope that CSM will get traits/other fixes in Chapter Approved, or an errata or something. Otherwise they're going to be a repeat of what happens to them so often in the past: they are the last release before a major rules update and don't get it for 2+ years.


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From everything we've heard PA2 will not have I have basically zero expectations by now and still fear to get disappointed.


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Well at least you will have a sorc and the shadowspear releases lol

PA2 is not amounting to much is it?

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Well at least you will have a sorc and the shadowspear releases lol

 

I guess we can keep doing HQ spam + daemons :/

I just want to play a decent legion list based on CSM, guys. I started in this hobby a few months after the 3.5 codex became defunct. I've been waiting for over 10 years. And now we finally have some amazing new CSM, but no. Rules are just gonna get left behind.


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Well at least you will have a sorc and the shadowspear releases lol

PA2 is not amounting to much is it?

 

It feels like recycled content though, considering it was apart of Vigilus release. I was hoping for a new termi lord based off that art with the demon hammer lord instead. 


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Realistically there's 0 chance this makes up the disparity between us and loyalist SM. I'm just crossing my fingers that my WB get something cool to play around with. At least we have awesome models.


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Chaos got Disco Lords Rawking Flawless Host and plus smoking Chaos Knights and the Wardogs are actually quite good. That’s all good plus prayers and the goat sorcerer. Honestly CSM don’t deserve combat tactics but like one veteran skill maybe.
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Realistically there's 0 chance this makes up the disparity between us and loyalist SM.


Yup, this is my thought / concern as well. The worst part is knowing how far in advance they plan these things. Vigilus came out earlier this year with updated rules and then the new SM ones drop which make CSM pale in comparison. This was planned.
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Chaos got Disco Lords Rawking Flawless Host and plus smoking Chaos Knights and the Wardogs are actually quite good. That’s all good plus prayers and the goat sorcerer. Honestly CSM don’t deserve combat tactics but like one veteran skill maybe.

 

Chaos ought to have Marks/Gifts of some sort to keep them about equivalent to at least Old Marines. They shouldn't have doctrines though.


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So because Chaos got some few new units and Knights which loyalists already had access to they don't deserve the additional layer of awesome rules for their already existing units like loyalist got all the while loyalists got new units in form of Primaris as well? What kind of logic is that? Go home, Black Blow Fly. You are drunk.


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Not to mention that Chaos Knights are not Chaos Space Marines and should not be included in a discussion about whether the CSM book is or is not good.

 

It might be worth digging out the 7th ed Traitor Legions supplement and taking a look at the relics the WB, NL, IW, EC, AL, and WE received, as I note that GW regularly brings back relics from past publications with a new 8th edition style spin. Some (but not all) of the BL relics from Vigilus II featured in their various 6th & 7th ed supplements.


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Chaos got Disco Lords Rawking Flawless Host and plus smoking Chaos Knights and the Wardogs are actually quite good. That’s all good plus prayers and the goat sorcerer. Honestly CSM don’t deserve combat tactics but like one veteran skill maybe.

 
Chaos ought to have Marks/Gifts of some sort to keep them about equivalent to at least Old Marines. They shouldn't have doctrines though.

Even if the existing icon rules were marks instead of a removable benifit would be an improvement at this point.
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They should expand the marks and veteran skills ....if Aeldari aspects get a choice of 7 exarch skills why don’t chaos sgts get the option of buying a unit skill?

Have a couple which are mark dependent, a couple which are legion dependant, a couple which are demon only (so possessed can take them as well)

Give legion taits to vehicles

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Not to mention that Chaos Knights are not Chaos Space Marines and should not be included in a discussion about whether the CSM book is or is not good.

 

It might be worth digging out the 7th ed Traitor Legions supplement and taking a look at the relics the WB, NL, IW, EC, AL, and WE received, as I note that GW regularly brings back relics from past publications with a new 8th edition style spin. Some (but not all) of the BL relics from Vigilus II featured in their various 6th & 7th ed supplements.

 

If I remember correctly the EC stuff was weird. The basic buff Noise Marines got was great but the real big buff required something like 6 units ... which was already expensive but not to be compared with the 8 Plague Marine units DG needed lol


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All the god specific units got a banner and/or (can’t remember which) sgt for free if they where in the sacred number

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I agree CSM should have access to some veteran skills that are good but not combat tactics.

SM you has to play mono faction for the combat tactics - do you want that for CSM as well? I think CSM with Daemons are fluffy.
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