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Valdor: Birth of the Imperium


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Still waiting for delivery..fighting so so hard to ignore the spoilers till then sweat.gif


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Any mention of Arik Taranis or Ghota? Or efforts among the thunder warriors to stabilize themselves?
While I don’t love that Primarchs in this case are big standards, I don’t mind at all that their organization foreshadows the legions so much. It’s old, established fluff that the legions were based on the thunder warrior model. Iirc, the very use of the term legion/chapter was a direct throwback.

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You can always ally the Dark Angels to your current ultramarine force.
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going into spoiler messages on here now so i think it's time to remove myself from this conversation until Christmas when i have got it heh. 

 

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Any mention of Arik Taranis or Ghota? Or efforts among the thunder warriors to stabilize themselves?

 

 

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I'm most interested in what this book does for the Valdor character himself, rather than Thunder Warriors/early Astartes. unlike Dorn, who has been given some good character work through his various brief appearances across the series, Valdor remains profoundly uninteresting other than being the best of the Custodes and their leader.


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The more I hear about it, the less enthusiastic I become. It sounds rather anti-Haley, so to speak. Where Haley manages to weave many things into a coherent whole, Wraight didn't even seem to acknowledge a lot of pre-existing ties to the Thunder Warriors and Unification Wars. The result are retcons and missed opportunities all over, it seems.

 

Even just looking at the Heresy itself, we got many accounts of Astartes fighting during the Unification Wars, including evidence that the first batches were noticeably better crafted than following generations. Having them rushed out with raw implants just feels ridiculously wrong in the light of what we've heard before in the Heresy =/


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The retcon of when Ararat happens aside, I wouldn't let it dissuade you. I felt the book was captivating throughout, the characters were all good and interesting. Valdor was fleshed out as much as you can flesh him out to a degree, to the point where I kind of feel sorry for him having finished it, which you will see what I mean probably when you read it yourselves. And there's the key thing for me. The characters, like in most of Wraights novels, actually matter and have good personalities, where as you mention Halyey, I more often than not find his characters bland and unforgettable and his plots largely average. Not bad, but nothing stand out. Could always put a Haley book down and not pick it up again for a while. I finished this in a day as it was so engaging.

 

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Sounds like a very interesting read and one to add to the pile. Angel of blood would you mind messaging me any lore details about Valdor? I'm really interested in knowing more about him.




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as much as i’m looking forward to reading about the TW stuff, let’s not forget the cool valdor character stuff too

CW: The basic hook for me with Valdor is his sheer invincibility. He’s totally selfless, totally incorruptible, almost impossible to best in combat, without pride or ambition. What room does that leave for character? Will he not be incredibly boring? In some sense, that remorseless perfection is his weakness – he’s so much less human than the primarchs. His imagination is stunted, his capability for independent action is so limited. He’s at once the pinnacle of human achievement and a nightmare vision of its curtailment.

That’s what I’ve tried to home in on with the Custodians in general, too – they’re both demigods worthy of adoration and slaves deserving pity


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as much as i’m looking forward to reading about the TW stuff, let’s not forget the cool valdor character stuff too
 

CW: The basic hook for me with Valdor is his sheer invincibility. He’s totally selfless, totally incorruptible, almost impossible to best in combat, without pride or ambition. What room does that leave for character? Will he not be incredibly boring? In some sense, that remorseless perfection is his weakness – he’s so much less human than the primarchs. His imagination is stunted, his capability for independent action is so limited. He’s at once the pinnacle of human achievement and a nightmare vision of its curtailment.

Thact’s what I’ve tried to home in on with the Custodians in general, too – they’re both demigods worthy of adoration and slaves deserving pity

 

 

He pretty much nails this in the book. Heavyish spoiler follows.

 

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Trial Of Blood Part I & IIPrelude To ArmageddonBlack blood vomited through corrupted lips as he struggled to speak his last. "I-iron within, iron wi.." His legion's motto was cut short as Soghur ended his life with a final swing of his axe. "You know nothing of iron, traitor," spat the Iron Hand as he strode over his already forgotten enemy.<p>"I understand you might think the IX Legion a bit... overzealous with our devotion to blood. But you must understand, blood is the most valuable resource on Baal. The tribeless are left to die. Lord Sanguinius was the only surviving orphan anyone could remember who actually thrived before he was found. So you see, his blood is singular in the history of our world, and we are honored to share it with him." - Ninth Captain Demion

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Sounds like we've got some Wraightcons on our hands here.


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Lord knows I am a big fan of Wraight, but I believe he, even being the fine writer he is, has retconned himself before.

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I have faith in Wraight, so I think these Unification changes, if further developed, have potential to become an interesting take on that period.

EDIT: In Outcast Dead, Arik Taranis is described as something more than a mere TW. His psychic presence stuns Atharva.

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