PR: new craftworld psychic power no 5

[Slasher956]

Ok the power is called focus will....how does it work

 

Focus will. WC 6. Pick friendly psyker in 6. Until end of phase, when a deny test is take add 2 to the total.

 

Edit - so my read is you add 2 to the deny test, which is taken by the opponent so why would you? Or is it you add 2 to the target the deny test needs to get?

Edited October 26, 2019 by Slasher956

[Brother Tyler]

You're adding 2 to the psyker's Deny the Witch test (see page 178 of the rulebook).

[Slasher956]

The deny test is done by the opponent and is to beat the result of the psychic test. So adding 2 to deny test benefits the opponent.

 

I mean you are doing the power in your player turn and it lasts that phase,

 

RAW the power makes no sense

[Dam13n]

After looking for a quoted actual wording of the rule, it looks like it should work like this:

 

The friendly psyker you select as the target adds 2 to any deny the witch tests that psyker takes until your next psychic phase.

 

Meaning that during your opponents next psychic phase you will get the +2 bonus when the affected psyker attempts to deny the witch.

 

When you ask a question like this the complete wording of the rule is vital to answering that question.

Edited October 26, 2019 by Dam13n
Adding missed clarification.

[Slasher956]

After checking the actual wording of the rule, it works like this:

The friendly psyker you select as the target adds 2 to any deny the witch tests that psyker takes until your next psychic phase.

Meaning that during your opponents next psychic phase you will get the +2 bonus when the affected psyker attempts to deny the witch.

When you ask a question like this the complete wording of the rule is vital to answering that question.

warp charge value of 6. If manifested, select one friendly <craftworld> Psyker model within 6” of this psyker. Until the end of this phase, when a deny the witch test is taken for that model, add 2 to the total

Ok here’s the wording (sorry was cooking so couldn’t type it out).... it’s page 47 of the runes of fortune in Phoenix rising

 

As you can see it’s for the phase (not round)it’s cast in and it adds to the deny test..... pointless as far as I can see....

Edited October 26, 2019 by Slasher956

[Dam13n]

Ok, in which case it makes that psyker's powers more difficult to deny.

 

So if a focussed willed psyker casts on an 8, an opposing psyker would count it as a 10 instead, making it more difficult to deny.

 

It's awkwardly worded, but I guess they didn't want to make casting easier, just denying harder.

Edited October 26, 2019 by Dam13n

[Slasher956]

That’s what I took RAI to be... but RAW needs “score required” to be added

[Dam13n]

So, it's a rule that hasn't been properly proof-read and needed a "day 1 errata" to clarify things, that isn't out yet. [shrug]No surprise there.[/shrug]

[Panzer]

Ok, in which case it makes that psyker's powers more difficult to deny.

 

So if a focussed willed psyker casts on an 8, an opposing psyker would count it as a 10 instead, making it more difficult to deny.

 

It's awkwardly worded, but I guess they didn't want to make casting easier, just denying harder.

 

^this

 

The wording is clumsy, but RAW nothing speaks against this interpretation and as you already noticed it not making sense otherwise it would also be RAI. No problem, just weirdly worded.

 

 

The alternative would be that RAI is the power lasting until your next psychic phase like other buff powers, making it easier for you to deny an opponents power instead of making it harder for the opponent to deny your power, however that would require an Errata as it explicitly says "this phase".

[dode74]

 

A psyker can attempt to resist a psychic

power that has been manifested by an

enemy model within 24" by taking a

Deny the Witch test – this takes place

immediately, even though it is not your

turn. To do so, roll 2D6.

From BRB page 178.  A model takes a Deny the Witch test when it attempts to resist an enemy model's psychic power.  So it is for when your psyker tries to deny enemy casts.  Which is still stupid because it is only in your phase, and the enemy can't cast in your phase (that I am aware of), meaning it does nothing.

 

I suspect it is intended to make your psyker better at denying and should therefore be "until the start of your next psychic phase".

[Slasher956]

As said I don’t feel like it is supposed to last till the next game roundif you read the italics (fluff) of the spell it’s about the casting psyker helping the other one ...as Dam13n said it looks like GW wanted the other models powers harder to counter rather than easier to cast (as that’s already done by a strat anyway)...anyway it’s already been thrown at GW (and not just by me on FB :p) so I expect it to be errated so it works under RAW in a couple of weeks when the FAQ goes up. Edited October 27, 2019 by Slasher956

[dode74]

I'm not sure the italics are that helpful:
 

The psyker channels their mind to

aid a fellow seer.

 

Aid him to do what, exactly?

 

I don't think it makes it easier for him to cast, but easier for him to Deny.  Hence I suspect the intent is that it goes until the next turn.

 

I look forward to errata...

[Wulf Vengis]

I see this as a difficult read regardless of RAW/RAI.

 

It's EITHER:

Granting a friendly Psyker a bonus of +2 to their DtW rolls (which as stated doesn't make sense in the course of how the game plays).

OR

Its increasing the difficulty an enemy unit has to DtW against a friendly psykers psychic abilities by +2 (which does not appear to be what the RAW is trying to say).

 

Eratta required.

But i would not hold anything against an opponent trying to use either of these methods until an errata.

[wildweasel]

Errata is up: https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/7f2bbe02.pdf

 

It’s +2 to the targeted model’s Psychic tests for the phase.

Edited November 26, 2019 by wildweasel

[Slasher956]

so this with the craftworld ability to count 1 as a 2 gives a min test of 6 on a roll of a double 1!

 

The Craftworld have returned to auto casting psychic powers :p!