Kain Mor Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 (edited) My friends helped me write a Night Lords supplement that I use playing against them, in addition to a couple core rules changes and then one or two buffs to some shared loyalist/chaos units. It makes playing Mono faction Chaos Space Marines viable for the legions that aren’t big on the whole daemon side of things. It really wasn’t hard to make them viable either, just some tweaks here and there. Also some points adjustments for things that are just stupid and unfair- For example, Loyalist lightning claws cost 6/10 pts for single/pair Chaos marine lightning claws are 8/12. Why??? Edited November 7, 2019 by Kain Mor Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Wait for CA19, that should fix the points disparity between the common stuff like that in the new SM dex and us hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Mor Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I mean those point disparities have existed for two years, so I really doubt that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 I mean those point disparities have existed for two years, so I really doubt that. Except it now times better with the new SM book and PA 2 so its more likely to happen than before. I'm taking some holiday time from the CSM salt mines until we see CA19 + PA 2. I am sure we can catch up on and exceed the quota's then if it doesn't pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Tzeentch feeds on your hope! Nomnomnomnom Guzzlrr, Zodd1888, Zephaniah Adriyen and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zodd1888 Posted November 7, 2019 Share Posted November 7, 2019 Tzeentch feeds on your hope! Nomnomnomnom This. Zephaniah Adriyen and Prot 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prot Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Someone posted a new picture of the Sorc and a Helbrute painted like Alpha Legion. Has anyone seen that pic? ( sorry I’m on my phone). I’m curious how they painted that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Someone posted a new picture of the Sorc and a Helbrute painted like Alpha Legion. Has anyone seen that pic? ( sorry I’m on my phone). I’m curious how they painted that? I am pretty sure eavy metal team posted the recipe for that scheme in an older insta post. It is nice, agreed. Prot 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Looking like no head swap inbuilt option. C'mon GW. That's pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaVolt87 Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Looking like no head swap inbuilt option. C'mon GW. That's pitiful. By in built I assume fixed in like the BL hammer guy? I trashed that mini just removing the head. I think Khârn would have done better with his chain axe lol. TrawlingCleaner 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerallan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Guzzlrr, Lord_Starscream, Tipsy Techpriest and 1 other 4 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Errrr. Raptors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Errrr. Raptors? Chaos Raptors. The new kit's great, decent options, plenty of variation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Errrr. Raptors? Chaos Raptors. The new kit's great, decent options, plenty of variation. It's too bad their out of scale. All I've used them for recently is some weapons and heads, lol But, that's off subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Errrr. Raptors? Chaos Raptors. The new kit's great, decent options, plenty of variation. It's too bad their out of scale. All I've used them for recently is some weapons and heads, lol But, that's off subject. Um...? I own them, they're about the same size as New Chaos models in general. They're about half a head shorter than Plague Marines, and half a head taller than DV Chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 The move away from modular/customisable plastics is baffling to me. I think the current loyalist tac squad and the Heresy plastics was the pinnacle of GWs art. Since then it's been downhill into a monopose snorfest from a modelling POV. I assume it's because that limits the market for aftermarket bits. A shame, I like the mini and will still buy one but they probably would have had me buying three or four if it was less monopose Yea, I was going to buy four of them, as long as they came with two head options. Raptors? Errrr. Raptors? Chaos Raptors. The new kit's great, decent options, plenty of variation. It's too bad their out of scale. All I've used them for recently is some weapons and heads, lol But, that's off subject. Um...? I own them, they're about the same size as New Chaos models in general. They're about half a head shorter than Plague Marines, and half a head taller than DV Chosen. Only because they're leaping into the air. They're the same scale approximately as the original CSM, and the DV Chosen. I've had 30 of them, I know quite well. Ignoring the leaping, they're just out of scale and it looks funny imo. But, getting back on subject, I really, really hope the new Sorcerer has a second option, but I now sincerely doubt it. What a downer :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephaniah Adriyen Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Only because they're leaping into the air. They're the same scale approximately as the original CSM, and the DV Chosen. I've had 30 of them, I know quite well. Ignoring the leaping, they're just out of scale and it looks funny imo. I literally just looked, ignoring them leaping, they're about half a head shorter than your average New Chaos model. Like, lining up the bottom of the greaves of a modern Plague Marine and one of my Warp Talons - made from the new kit - yeah, the Warp Talon's a little shorter, but not Oldmarines short. It could be the pose, or variance in the Marines' height, or whatever. I used the straightest-standing Warp Talon I have alongside a straight-posed Plague Marine from when 8th first dropped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Starscream Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Only because they're leaping into the air. They're the same scale approximately as the original CSM, and the DV Chosen. I've had 30 of them, I know quite well. Ignoring the leaping, they're just out of scale and it looks funny imo. I literally just looked, ignoring them leaping, they're about half a head shorter than your average New Chaos model. Like, lining up the bottom of the greaves of a modern Plague Marine and one of my Warp Talons - made from the new kit - yeah, the Warp Talon's a little shorter, but not Oldmarines short. It could be the pose, or variance in the Marines' height, or whatever. I used the straightest-standing Warp Talon I have alongside a straight-posed Plague Marine from when 8th first dropped. Well, I guess we disagree? Because their torsos, arms, and heads all line up to be in scale with old marines. Stretching their legs out due to a jumping pose, doesn't make them "in scale" with the current minis. They don't look like the current range to me. They're oddly proportioned, and that's unfortunate. I literally built old squads of marines using their bits, now I'm more hesitant to use much beyond heads (which are still a bit too fat, I might add, but it's not as noticeable) and weapons. I wouldn't use the arms even, personally. But that's just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzerallan Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Also, that is a 2012 kit - the newest Tactical box was released in 2013, and the Heresy Tactical boxes after that. So the kit you are referring predates the ones I identified as (IMO) the pinnacle of the multipart poseable kits. Lord_Starscream 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonoftherubric21 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Any confirmation of a helmet option? Is it really just the kit shown with NO options at all for weapons or heads? That doesn't match up with what is in the book for basic options either, like they can have axe/sword/stave but we aren't getting those as options? Strange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 (edited) No confirmation. I suspect there are 0 options, like the Dark Apostle/Chaos Lord/Master of Executions/Lord Discordant/Master of Possession. Doesn't surprise me at all although the lack of a helmet is disappointing if so Edited November 12, 2019 by Marshal Loss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Mor Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 To be fair, the master of executions did have two head options, they both just sucked. You're right though in that he only had the one weapon. Khornestar and Marshal Loss 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Loss Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 To be fair, the master of executions did have two head options, they both just sucked. You're right though in that he only had the one weapon. Oops, my bad - guess I mentally blocked out that executioner cowl head. Thanks for the correction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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