Hmm, man, I think I'm gonna be the outlyer here. So, am I satisfied with where 30K is right now?
Short answer: no.
I won't pick apart everything, but just as some generalities, it kinda has to be separated.
Honestly, I play a lot of 30K almost in spite of a lot of its older mechanics. It's the setting and a lot of little nuances that really appeal to me. But mechanically, there are large sections which feel functionally archaic compared to 8th edition, especially on the intuitive side of things. And a lot of the perceived balance feels like it's massively shifted when non-astartes come into the picture in 30K: Custodes, Daemons, Imperialis militia, heavy armour Auxilia, Knights.
While 8th edition feels like a real rules patchwork, it doesn't feel too overwhelming and I like the responsiveness of GW to innovate new playtest rules. Beyond that, there's an element of it in that I just don't care about xenos, so I ignore them in 8e and thus keeping 2-4 erratas isn't a problem.
Frankly, AoD has more erratas and Black Book options that I need to keep track of than 8th edition. And that's saying a lot. Beyond that, I'm kinda sick of the homogenized movement speeds, pass/fail AP system, and ancient WS/BS, St/T charts. There's some gamey oddities that happens when they get over the 'normal' range into heroic (like Bs6 plasma being 6 times safer than Bs5 plasma). And while I'd actually really like to keep the Ws vs. Ws chart and I stat to make challenges more cinematic, I'd like to see the 8E style thresholds there with 2's and 6's as possible to-hit results for doubling opponents skill etc. Stuff like that extends the perceived bell-curve and brings some of the smaller rules like Fear or to-hit vs. vehicles back into the fold. 8E's take on it is far more appealing to me, as is -in theory- the return to 2E's AP system which further extends variables.
30K has a lot of minutia, and some of it is actually great: the Universal Rules help a lot, scoring system on holding objectives is great, the army building I think is fine, vehicle rules and damage is immensely appealing, cover rules and terrain, and... YMMV on templates, but I can live with them, and the lack of rerolls by and large (though I would kill for a warlord to be able to buy 1-3 rerolls a'la Battlefleet Gothic to keep things heroic). Beyond that, the legion vs. legion combat is workable as it is now but I've never had less fun in a game of warhammer in any edition (from 2E to now) than playing all knight games in 30K.
No question, even with the move towards 8E style art, 30K comes out on top by miles. The setting, the depth and style of storytelling is immense. I keep playing 30K because I adore the Black Books style and the whole intrigue of it. The aesthetic, atmosphere, and general disposition of where they try to focus their efforts with the system are 100% on point.
I can't say enough good thing bout that side of the 30K equation. It's why it's still holding me enraptured. And 30K just looks so much better than 40K model wise and army wise. Every single one of my 40K armies are built with 30K in mind, they're more just '40K compliant'.
Background Gaming Tendency:
I play probably more 30K at this point than 8E, but I do play both pretty regularly though I don't care in the least about tournament style or competitive playing dynamics: that ain't what I'm here for. But I play in a 30K league and probably get in, say, 2 2.5K games every 3 weeks, and run in as many of the local tournaments and events as possible (We got a 14 player narrative event coming up next weekend with some AT players joining in with the results. And I'm looking forward to the end of season 5K per player megabattle, so hopefully we can get all 16 players out for a 40K point match). And I probably play 2 games of 1.5K 40K every 3 weeks just with my little group of friends. It's fun, it's all fun. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be playing.
I'm unrepentant, 30K's rules are acceptable, but for me, it's feeling its age and could use with a tightened set of more intuitive short hand rules. Certain facets could easily be improved or tossed completely, and while 8E isn't some golden idol, not everything it did is a step in the wrong direction. The 30K vs. 40K debate for mechanics often feels like tribalism: "I don't like them because they aren't us, and that makes them wrong." Faction wise 30K's in a decent spot but I feel like a lot of the love and loyalty for the system comes from that time of legend where it was a very balanced system circ.BB 1-3.
Post scriptum: And don't think I missed you take back that like, Captain_Krash I give unto the Warmaster his due.
Edited by Vykes, 07 November 2019 - 07:47 PM.